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Alden was just in Weapons.

And for the record, Rogue One is my least favorite Star Wars film. It looks like Star Wars, but there is absolutely no joy in the story, characters, or really anything. I don't want to feel miserable for 2.5 hours when I'm watching Star Wars.


Yeah, Alden Ehrenreich is a working actor and it's not that he's bad at it, but he won't be the star again. "Solo" bombed out and it wasn't his fault, but it doesn't matter. What's Ezra Miller doing these days? And he really didn't help "The Flash" at all.

As far as "Rogue One" goes, I agree with you. Didn't like it because of the ending. Even with the preordained outcome, it isn't history. They could have done way better by the characters. However the film made money and satisfied those "serious" Star Wars fans, which "Solo" didn't do on either front.
 
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I personally don't care about Supergirl. I'm really tired of miserable superheroes.


I agree with this too, but I would even apply it to Star Wars, as I never was much of a fan after the first trilogy, 4 - 6.

Think about it. Star Wars is not fun for any of the characters. In between a few victories that are eventually erased, they lead miserable lives, and then they die. I hated the last batch when Han, Luke and Leia took their turn dying in each film. Is that not killing off all your heroes and how is that fun?

Superheroes must also be flawed and miserable and eventually sacrificed. No fun for you!

This stuff isn't history. It isn't fact. I like happy endings. Sue me! Big Grin
 
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However the film made money and satisfied those "serious" Star Wars fans, which "Solo" didn't do on either front.

Yeah, and they all LOVE the series Andor. I watched two episodes and bounced, it wasn't for me. And now it's lauded as the greatest thing in Star Wars. I'm glad someone enjoys it, there's something for everyone.

My brother-in-law tried to hype me up on Andor telling me "It's nothing like Star Wars." Uhhh, I want lots of Star Wars in my Star Wars!! Big Grin


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Think about it. Star Wars is not fun for any of the characters. In between a few victories that are eventually erased, they lead miserable lives, and then they die. I hated the last batch when Han, Luke and Leia took their turn dying in each film. Is that not killing off all your heroes and how is that fun?

Superheroes must also be flawed and miserable and eventually sacrificed. No fun for you!

Fair points. Rogue One was dark and sad the whole time, the characters were all dark and sad. In the OT you had C-3PO and R2-D2 offering some levity, the droid in Rogue One was, you guessed it, dark and sad, and pretty condescending.

I'm all for flaws, but give me someone or something to root for. I was glad nobody made it out of Rogue One. Red Face
 
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On the top $ list for 2026 an indie movie called "Obsession" hasn't been mentioned yet, but it's smoking all the major competition. It was made for just $750,000 and is currently up to 84M worldwide. That is a percentage profit that no big budget studio release can hope to achieve.

"Obsession" sounds like a fairly standard horror picture with a Twight Zone type story. You know, the "be careful what you wish for" moral. Guess the idea looks fresh with lots of cheap gore. Big Grin
 
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Some are predicting that OBSESSION may actually make more money than The Mandalorian this weekend.

If that happens, it's pretty embarrassing that a horror film does better than a Star Wars movie !
 
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If that happens, it's pretty embarrassing that a horror film does better than a Star Wars movie !


Dollar for dollar, horror films always do well. That's why they are the choice of fledging producers and directors with no money. When good word of mouth gets around, it's almost like a cult thing.

And when they started with that "lost footage" gimmick, the fad really took off. I used to be a big fan of horror films, but I guess either my taste has changed or they have changed. I don't mind gore in the right spots, but unrelenting gore is numbing and boring. Also, very dark endings, or endings that just set up the next sequel, make the whole exercise pointless.

I still can't figure out why anyone wants to see dumb stuff like "Late Night with the Devil". Even "Weapons", as well done and interesting as it was, made no sense in the end. Now "Sinners" I really enjoyed, and yet they took great pains to not call it a vampire movie. Wink

I think I'd rather have an old-fashioned monster and forget the supernatural, mystic plots altogether. However the younger generations really seem to believe in those devils and demons stories, which makes me worry about what they are doing in their spare time. Big Grin

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I liked the Mandalorian but it dropped 70 percent this weekend making only 25 M domestically. That means by year's end it won't even be one of the Top 15 films of the year in terms of money made.
 
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The big, little movie this week is another indie horror called "Backrooms". It was made for under $10M and looks to go off between $80M - $90M. These are the types of films that will make all the money on small budgets.

Star Wars is over. People are finally beginning to admit that most of the main movies were not good and trying to start new franchises with marginal characters has really bled it dry. Marvel and DC are at risk of doing the same thing. I think they all deserve it for being both lazy and greedy, but these cheap and wacky horror films are not a great substitute either.

I spoke to a friend who saw "Backrooms" with his adult son. He has always been a big horror buff. He said it was the worst movie he ever saw and had no idea what it was supposed to be about, even after his son tried to explain it to him. For the record, it's about crossing into other dimensions and his son liked it. Different generational ideas no doubt. Wink
 
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I haven't seen the Mandalorian yet. The third trilogy was a retread though it had its moments. That Obi Wan Kenobi show could have been great but it was terrible. I thought Ahsoka was okay. It seems like only Jon Favreau has a sense of how to make good Star Wars. I wish he had been at the helm of the third trilogy. What idiot thought of making a Star Wars movie and then making sure that Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewbacca were not in even one scene together while the actors were all still alive?



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The big, little movie this week is another indie horror called "Backrooms". It was made for under $10M and looks to go off between $80M - $90M. These are the types of films that will make all the money on small budgets.

Star Wars is over. People are finally beginning to admit that most of the main movies were not good and trying to start new franchises with marginal characters has really bled it dry. Marvel and DC are at risk of doing the same thing. I think they all deserve it for being both lazy and greedy, but these cheap and wacky horror films are not a great substitute either.

I spoke to a friend who saw "Backrooms" with his adult son. He has always been a big horror buff. He said it was the worst movie he ever saw and had no idea what it was supposed to be about, even after his son tried to explain it to him. For the record, it's about crossing into other dimensions and his son liked it. Different generational ideas no doubt. Wink
 
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It's sort of like Indiana Jones. Does anyone want another movie or a TV show after the last one ? I think that bringing it back with a different actor playing Indy just would not work.

I remember the Young Indy series in the early 1990s that failed.
 
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I still can't figure out why anyone wants to see dumb stuff like "Late Night with the Devil". Even "Weapons", as well done and interesting as it was, made no sense in the end. Now "Sinners" I really enjoyed, and yet they took great pains to not call it a vampire movie. Wink

"Late Night" was OK. "Weapons" was my favorite movie since "No Country for Old Men". I thought once the reveal happened the end made very clear sense, unsure what confused you? "Sinners" was fine, but didn't deserve all the Oscars glory it received. I don't know how it got Best Original Screenplay when all it did was use the "From Dusk Til Dawn" formula. Everyone gushed over Michael B Jordan playing two characters, but they were basically the same character.

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It's sort of like Indiana Jones. Does anyone want another movie or a TV show after the last one ?

If it starred Harrison Ford, absolutely. I thought Dial of Destiny was awesome. Now given his age that's pretty much impossible, but he's the only one who could do Indy right.
 
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Regarding Indy, what I was trying to suggest is that they shouldn't bring him back in another film or TV show with someone else playing him, as it won't work.

Haven't they had 3 different actresses playing Tomb Raider, so far ? Not sure why they keep trying to bring that franchise back
 
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"Late Night" was OK. "Weapons" was my favorite movie since "No Country for Old Men". I thought once the reveal happened the end made very clear sense, unsure what confused you? "Sinners" was fine, but didn't deserve all the Oscars glory it received. I don't know how it got Best Original Screenplay when all it did was use the "From Dusk Til Dawn" formula. Everyone gushed over Michael B Jordan playing two characters, but they were basically the same character.


I like comparing opinions about films because it gives you different ideas.

"Late Night" to me was a waste of time, but I had time to waste. In that sense it was OK.

Now "Weapons" was well made, but unsatisfying in its whole premise. I was not confused by the big reveal at all, saw that coming once the character showed up. The problem was right from the start, if all those young kids just up and disappeared, that town would have been crawling with FBI and Media. It's implausible to think in what universe the only kid still standing would not have had his house torn apart and his parents and Aunt interrogated for days. Yet the town just went to meetings and the only notable police around was one lone dope. I can't get pass the obvious flaw, even though I kept watching.

Just for the record, I never got why "No Country for Old Men" was so well received either. It had great actors, but those characters were doing some pretty stupid things too. Wink

As for "Sinners", yes, it was basically "From Dusk Till Dawn". But it was well acted, shot well in scenes, had a bit of social commentary, and really good music. It was "Dusk" elevated and Michael B. Jordan won his Oscar not so much for "Sinners" but for his body of work, as often happens. Also, I was not disappointed with the open ending on this one.
 
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"Late Night" was OK. "Weapons" was my favorite movie since "No Country for Old Men". I thought once the reveal happened the end made very clear sense, unsure what confused you? "Sinners" was fine, but didn't deserve all the Oscars glory it received. I don't know how it got Best Original Screenplay when all it did was use the "From Dusk Til Dawn" formula. Everyone gushed over Michael B Jordan playing two characters, but they were basically the same character.


I like comparing opinions about films because it gives you different ideas.

"Late Night" to me was a waste of time, but I had time to waste. In that sense it was OK.

Now "Weapons" was well made, but unsatisfying in its whole premise. I was not confused by the big reveal at all, saw that coming once the character showed up. The problem was right from the start, if all those young kids just up and disappeared, that town would have been crawling with FBI and Media. It's implausible to think in what universe the only kid still standing would not have had his house torn apart and his parents and Aunt interrogated for days. Yet the town just went to meetings and the only notable police around was one lone dope. I can't get pass the obvious flaw, even though I kept watching.

Just for the record, I never got why "No Country for Old Men" was so well received either. It had great actors, but those characters were doing some pretty stupid things too. Wink

As for "Sinners", yes, it was basically "From Dusk Till Dawn". But it was well acted, shot well in scenes, had a bit of social commentary, and really good music. It was "Dusk" elevated and Michael B. Jordan won his Oscar not so much for "Sinners" but for his body of work, as often happens. Also, I was not disappointed with the open ending on this one.


Maybe I just like movies where people do stupid things? I mean, Luke did stare straight into the barrel of an unlit light saber. Big Grin
 
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"Michael" is about to pass Project Hail Mary to become the # 2 film of 2026, so far.

Super Mario Galaxy is still about 85 M ahead of it
 
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"Michael" is about to pass Project Hail Mary to become the # 2 film of 2026, so far.


Speaking of "Michael", Netflix has jumped on this with their new docudrama "Michael Jackson: The Verdict" coming tomorrow, June 3rd. Who knows what slant they will put on it, but just watching the trailer is enough to remind me of that circus. Jackson was already well into his decline by this 2005 trial and just looking at the pictures of him from that time is very sad. It's a long fall from Thriller.

The movie "Michael" conveniently ended before this mess happened, but any sequel would have to at least address it. How far Netflix wants to go to risk upsetting anyone will have to be seen. I'm pretty sure a lot of people will tune in. What I don't understand is why it says Season 1 Trailer? Do they think they are making an OJ series out of this trial too?
 
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The sixth SCARY MOVIE (although this one is not numbered) and MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE both come out this Friday. Let's see how they do.
 
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Read on-line that "Masters of the Universe" has a budget of at least 200 M and they are expecting it to gross 30-40 M this weekend. Yikes !
 
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Read on-line that "Masters of the Universe" has a budget of at least 200 M and they are expecting it to gross 30-40 M this weekend. Yikes !


I heard a radio review that said it was just awful. The trailer I saw looked like the special effects were straight out of the Saturday morning cartoons.

However, the kiss of death for this film has to be Jared Leto as Skeletor. For the life of me I can't understand how Leto keeps getting roles. Yes, he won an Oscar for a very niche "Dallas Buyers Club". Before and after that, he makes one bomb after another. And it's not like he is good in any of them himself. When you see his name in any cast, watch out below. Big Grin
 
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The trailer I saw looked like the special effects were straight out of the Saturday morning cartoons.

That's part of the appeal for me, someone who grew up with the cartoons. It looks goofy enough to be really fun.

I agree on Leto. My bigger question is how did this receive a $200 million budget? That's obscene. He-Man exists on pure nostalgia now, I can't believe a studio felt it was worthy of that much.
 
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