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Information has arrived on the much awaited DC Movies CZX set from Cryptozoic
This one carries the same SRP that the Outlander CZX Product did. Pricey, yes. But 1 on-card auto and 1 sketch that allows movie likenesses in each box is a big draw. I'm in for some, for sure. Ed ____________________ Trading Page Now Online: http://www.scifi.cards/trading.html Collecting Sketches of the Character Crystal   | ||
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| NSU Elf |
Surprised there aren't wardrobe/relics. | |||
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| Bronze Card Talk Member |
Imagine the odds on those top few actors anyone actually cares about...  | |||
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Amazing, Ben Affleck actually has one of the more legible signatures in that group.  I think these base cards look great and the sketches with actor likenesses should go for a lot too. Even though they obviously can't write, the main autographs will be the in-demand hit and yes they will be rare. All big hits will be very limited and you are much more likely to get common hits. That's how it always is. I would love to be all over these boxes, but the fact is, they cost too much for me. | |||
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| NSU Elf |
With CZX Outlander they guaranteed one of the two big autographs in every case. Maybe they will do the same with at least one of the above pictured autographs per case. | |||
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ifish73: With CZX Outlander they guaranteed one of the two big autographs in every case. Maybe they will do the same with at least one of the above pictured autographs per case.[/QUOTE] I agree, they may well do that, but you must buy a case to get it. The early estimate is around $1,500 right now. This might seem attractive to dealers and flippers who figure the Godot and maybe a couple of others will have to come out over $1000, so they can sell and make a profit. It really doesn't help the card collector doing 1 or 2 boxes, which would cost just as much as 4 or 5 boxes in another still premium product. Sure anyone could pull the big autograph card out of 1 box, but you also have to be prepared if you get Nestor Carbonell, who is a $12 signer in lots of other titles, no disrespect to Mr. Carbonell. If you get a common autograph and an average sketch, with so few cards, you still have a big value gap between what you paid and what you got. You almost have to be a dealer or a flipper to take a chance that you can beat or even match what you already paid. Then it all goes up on eBay for the rest of us to pick over. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Raven, | |||
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Sorry if this offends But all these signatures look like their 1 year children,if they have children have signed their cards They are just scribble to me For the money expected to be paid for these i would expect there to be a legible signature Unfortunately this seems to be the norm for signature cards lately. But everybody to their own | |||
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This is a very tempting set. | |||
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| Platinum Card Talk Member |
This is tempting. . . How did the high end Outlander set do? Seems like this set has more big names, I think the subject matter reaches a larger audience. | |||
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| Diamond Card Talk Member |
I would say they have not sold out. You can still order boxes thru CZE and a couple of other sites I checked are also carrying limited quantity. CORRECTION - It just looked like CZE had them, but then the link just referenced dealers. They can still be found at the outlets I looked at though. I would agree that DC should bring in higher demand than Outlander, if less than a similar Marvel universe would. | |||
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| Bronze Card Talk Member |
In terms of how the Outlander one is doing out in the world, the prices are utterly absurd, as you'd probably expect. Even for ordinary signers who in the previous sets were common and cheap as anything, the prices are insane. The set is uncollectable. This one will be worse. | |||
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Here is the the thing about high end products. High dollar pack buyers are in it for the gamble. When I owned a comic book shop a decade ago, the sport card buyers who bought the high end cards wanted the thrill of "THE HIT", nothing else mattered. I like the looks of this set but I am still working on Gotham and a few others to finish before I could even consider jumping in on a pack or two of this. | |||
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The Outlander cards are really silly prices, because of the really silly prices of the boxes. Not many sellers can take too much of a loss on even the low end, low demand 'hits'. I wondered about taking a probable hit to the wallet just to open a box. But, I watched a case break first on youtube and half the boxes had low value cards. I asked myself if I could really be happy opening a box at around £240 and getting maybe £100 worth of cards inside. So I can't afford to even dabble. I've bought two cards from the set just to own something from it. I bought one of the new low end signer autograph cards. Yes, the cards are super thick and super glossy, but still a card with a signature on it at the end of the day. And they only just fit into penny sleeves and you need thicker top loaders too. There's just too much chance of hitting a low grade signer of which I have signed cards from the previous seasons, or my big hit turning out to be a dual or triple costume card. (The excitement might kill me if that happened!   *sarcasm deployed*)The best value premium product in recent years, for me, was GoT Valyrian Steel, but RA's recent Inflexions set was high end price, low to middle end product. CZE have taken the premium to the ridiculous level for price and that's mostly going to be dealers and people with way more money than I have in their pockets. This DC set looks fantastic, but the chance of unlucky old me of actually getting one of the big signers is slim. I'll just watch a case break online and press my nose to the TV screen in awe. At least "awe" is free. | |||
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Early orders seem to now have cases at $1,600 and boxes over $260.00. Common signers will have to be elevated above common prices when sellers try to get some of the money back on lesser hits. However the incentive of needing even the commons to complete the set will not be there because how many people are going to attempt to complete? Few I'm sure. In comparing to Outlander, the DC CZX does have more going for it. It has movie star autographs, at least 6 or 7 cards that we know of which you could call really big hits, sketches over relics, a much larger fan base and the first product to come out with a lot of this stuff. Outlander was to me a bad choice for an ultra premium product from the start because two seasons worth of cards were already out there and the show was well covered other than the female star. So only a couple of limited hits were even worth a bit more than the price of a box and the rest were repeats. It was hard for breakers to make money and Outlander collectors stayed away from the boxes themselves. If a collector really needed that one premium hit, it was more expedient and economical to just pick it up by itself. My sense is that the DC CZX will not follow the exact same pattern because there may be a lot more sports card gamblers and flippers that are willing to buy it up and take the risk. However non-selling card collectors will stay away until after the dust clears and they can determine real value. If it turns out that the demand for the big cards does not push it to sell well enough to cover the case/box prices, dealers and flippers will be the ones taking a bath on it. They will have inventory left over and it will hurt even more than Outlander. If it winds up profitable on the breaks, they will be happy and we will continue to get ultra premium non-sport sets until they reach a price that fails. | |||
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It is interesting, and I'm torn on these, but then I just realized that while we have seen all of the Marvel Movies we haven't seen a bunch of the films represented here -- like Justice League, Batman V Superman, Man of Steel, Aquaman . . . People on another board are speculating Gadot autographs will top $1000. I'm terrible at guessing those sorts of things . . . that would but her as the 2nd most expensive super hero autograph after RDJ. More than Brolin, Holland, Evans, Hemsworth, etc. What do you guys think Gadot, Momoa, Cavill and Affleck will sell for? | |||
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| Contest Czar |
If Chasing Amy ever is released, this set will mark the 3rd? Affleck autograph card out there. Cavill (in/out as superman) Momoa (signed for GoT) Gadot (all new). I could easily see the first few Gadot going that high and then dropping down. Remember with the Jolie Tomb Raider auto was in the 500 to 700 range. This one will be able the same. | |||
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4th. . . He has autographs in the most recent Pop Century that are selling for around $100. Plus Daredevil, Whatever this set is called (the title is way too long) and (hopefully soon) Chasing Amy. | |||
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I don't think it's possible to predict what a Gadot autograph will sell for when we don't know the number of cards signed yet and can't even make a good guess until either CZE puts out the information or breakers start to report the frequency of her pulls. Same would be true of all of them, but Gadot will have the most interest. Momoa's cut autos in GoT ultra premium Inflexions are booking at a high of $500 and I think that's his best auto. The rest in GoT are around $300, but he also signed previously for Conan, not sure about Pop Century. Affleck has signed and is signing as noted and Cavill is not all that popular as an actor. How many copies each of the top stars signed will make a big difference in the price of the card and whether or not case buyers will make a profit with the big card they get. If Gadot signed 20 cards, that card will be worth more than if she signed 200. However if she signed 200 the boxes will sell much better. I feel that they all had to sign at least 50 singles, hopefully more, but less than that would be a problem. | |||
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Momoa did sign for Pop Century and Stargate Atlantis in addition to Game of Thrones and Conan. | |||
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