Pictures of the autograph cards are now on the checklist! Since I don't keep duplicate autographs, now I gotta decide which pictures I like better. These new ones or the old ones. I'm already having a tough time deciding on some of them haha.

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Originally posted by robomole:
Pictures of the autograph cards are now on the checklist! Since I don't keep duplicate autographs, now I gotta decide which pictures I like better. These new ones or the old ones. I'm already having a tough time deciding on some of them haha.

Thanks Robomole, the Shane Rimmer card is almost the same as the Mission Logs one.

Apparently, as Dave said, these will be added to the checklist


1 Archive Box exclusive Yvonne Shima Women of Bond card

1 Archive Box printing plate set of 4 cards used to make a Die Another Day base card

Also apparently added is another auto/relic card, Ola Rapace as Patrice. He is a repeat signer too.

I am beginning to think that RA is clearing off the deck on this one. Final, perhaps?

I will say that I like many of the Full Bleeds more than what was out, even if the photos are familiar. In particular the one Moore and the Lee, both pointing guns, very nice.

Please, please, Rittenhouse, don't do this !

As someone who has a master set of the Bond autos, please don't make the Shima auto an impossible to get card, which you need 18 cases to obtain. How will someone be able to reasonably get this ? Disappointing if it is true. What a blow to the fans !

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Originally posted by David R:
I see someone listing the Whislaw auto as A283

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Originally posted by Raven:
Two things about the checklist.

Ben Whislaw can not be autograph A284 as listed. That number belongs to Daniela Bianchi in Bond Archive 2016. He could be A294, as I still have that number as being opened.

Yes, just looked at RA's checklist again and they have corrected Whislaw from A284 to A283.

That should be right now, as Bianchi already had the true A284 card.

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Originally posted by Raven:
I'm curious about your opinion on something you didn't mention. Whether you consider it part of the set or not, how much do you think the Connery cut will trade for? We don't know the number, so any range would be estimated, but I would not be surprised if a key number went for well over $10,000. Not saying it should, but if cut cards from minor Star Trek guest actors could sell for thousands, how could this one with its greater significance not be valued higher? Any thoughts?

When guessing the price of the Connery, I immediately think of the recent Trek cut signatures that went for ridiculous amounts (IMO). Ridiculous because the names did not warrant that kind of cash. Whether you like him or not, Sir Sean Connery IS a huge part of pop culture and film history. Who are Jeffrey Hunter or Jill Ireland in comparison? So you'd have to think Connery would be a $10k card if we use the Trek cards as some sort of jumping off point.

That said, whilst there are some big spenders on Bond cards, Bond cards don't draw the fanaticism that Trek and Star Wars seem to. Plus, what is the box run for this series/how many Connery cuts will there be? Maybe a fair few more than the Trek cuts? The $4k Archive Box price mentioned looks like a fair price with him in it. But that is all academic as I'm not in the market! Still, I'd think most would say that around $2k for a Connery cut makes far more sense than the prices the Trek cuts went for.

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Originally posted by robomole:
Pictures of the autograph cards are now on the checklist! Since I don't keep duplicate autographs, now I gotta decide which pictures I like better. These new ones or the old ones. I'm already having a tough time deciding on some of them haha.

Thanks for posting this robomole - I had eagerly been awaiting the images because I have to do the same with every repeat! And hope (that for those whose signature I don't have) that I like the newest repeat best!

- I think the Roger Moore FYEO card is a cracking looking FB. One of his best. But my money is safe as I prefer the FB from TMWTGG from 2014 Archives.
- I desperately need a Lazenby FB but don't want a b&w image. He's had 4 FB's now and I'm not mad keen on any.
- Prefer this Dench FB to her Casino Royale one so will deffo pick this one up.
- I will be keeping Halle Berry's first FB which is nicer due to more colour.
- Still love Richard Kiel's Moonraker FB of all his cards.
- REALLY tough call on Bautista who I don't have. I KNEW they would use his first publicity image for this one - just wish I'd said it out loud on here! Think I'd be happy with either.
- Don't have Seydoux either (did not like the last one at all). This one is a much better picture.
- Yeoh's new card is a much nicer picture than her last, but I will be keeping the old one (the new pic being the same as on her WOB card I have).
- Don't really like b&w cards, but I think this is the beautiful Jane Seymour's best card. Think I will break my no b&w rule for this one.
- I love the underrated Mathieu Amalric, but will give his new card a miss and keep his creepier first FB.
- REALLY disliked Marlohe's last FB so will be shifting that on for the MUCH nicer one in this set.
- Will be shifting Kinnear's old card too for the new one.
- Like Seymour, the new one is Ekland's best card IMO.
- Cremona's cards are very similar, but the last one was better.
- The Christopher Lee is a huge improvement over the last one.

Overall, I think a very nice group of photos has been used for this set.

And I would genuinely be fascinated to know how many collectors who like cards of scantily clad women will be chasing the auto card from Tula...

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Originally posted by David R:
Please, please, Rittenhouse, don't do this !

As someone who has a master set of the Bond autos, please don't make the Shima auto an impossible to get card, which you need 18 cases to obtain. How will someone be able to reasonably get this ? Disappointing if it is true. What a blow to the fans !

I can usually see the positives over the negatives but I'm really annoyed at the Shima card being an Archive Box exclusive. In fact I haven't been so annoyed at anything RA has done in a long time as I am with this card.

One could say they have already done this to the fans with recent Archive Box exclusive Honor Blackman and Clifton James cards. But at least those actors had alternate full-bleeds as an option. But making cards that are part of a numbered run so difficult to get is so unnecessary.

The Famke Janssen WOB card was a 6-case incentive and is near impossible to find. Shima being 3 times more difficult to obtain will frustrate many I'm sure.

And the plates... why not just insert them into the product? Why not include a new insert for all Bond fans to chase? It's not like there aren't enough of them: there are 83 Die Another Day base cards but I doubt there will be 83 Archive Boxes, so what do RA do with all the plate cards leftover?

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Originally posted by Raven:
I'm curious about your opinion on something you didn't mention. Whether you consider it part of the set or not, how much do you think the Connery cut will trade for? We don't know the number, so any range would be estimated, but I would not be surprised if a key number went for well over $10,000. Not saying it should, but if cut cards from minor Star Trek guest actors could sell for thousands, how could this one with its greater significance not be valued higher? Any thoughts?

Hi Raven, one thing to consider is that most Connery cuts/Archive boxes are likely to be on the market all at once on day one. Only a proportion of the Star Trek ones (being in the packs) will reach the dealers marketplace, as it is possible lucky collectors can find them.

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Originally posted by WOMBLE:

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Originally posted by Raven:
I'm curious about your opinion on something you didn't mention. Whether you consider it part of the set or not, how much do you think the Connery cut will trade for? We don't know the number, so any range would be estimated, but I would not be surprised if a key number went for well over $10,000. Not saying it should, but if cut cards from minor Star Trek guest actors could sell for thousands, how could this one with its greater significance not be valued higher? Any thoughts?

Hi Raven, one thing to consider is that most Connery cuts/Archive boxes are likely to be on the market all at once on day one. Only a proportion of the Star Trek ones (being in the packs) will reach the dealers marketplace, as it is possible lucky collectors can find them.

I'm not sure how many Connery cuts will ever hit the market because interested parties seem to be already locking them up. If they are truly Bond card collectors they will slip into their collections and not reappear for awhile. They could also be flippers who will list as soon as they get it. Some dealers may take a chance and wait and see if the price does zoom up, but I get the feeling that most are taking the easy way out and just promising it to the first big offer.

Yes, the Star Trek cuts were done much better and turned out to be very profitable because you didn't have to make a huge investment to get one, just blind luck. I really was amazed at the selling prices of the first few Hunters, and Olivers and Irelands and there really is no way to rationalize it, except to say that people with money wanted them. I honestly think that, if I ever pulled one of them, I would break my longstanding habit and put it up for sale. I mean no disrespect to those actors, but I don't see how so much value can be attached to these cards. It was and that's that.

The Connery cut, by anybody's standard is much more important, and it takes a big investment to get it in the first place. It should go for a lot more at offer or auction. However it may be true that Bond card collectors are not as numerous or as committed as Star Trek card collectors, so it will top off quickly.

I don't think it will. I think dealers letting it go for $2,000 will be sorry. I was wrong about the ST cuts, I thought they would go for a few hundred at most. So I might as well be wrong about the Connery cut the opposite way and call it too high.

The fun part is that we can find out the answer once the product is out. I just hope we get enough true data from confirmed public sales to tell.

I just talked to David about this. I can understand a manufacturer wanting to do something extra for the big dealers, the multi-case buyers, but putting a regular autograph only in an archive box (or whatever dealer incentive) is a slap in the face to the dealer or collector who is willing to buy one or two boxes or take a chance on a case. They don't have a shot at that regular autograph except to get it secondhand at a price in the stratosphere.

I haven't been collecting any of the Bond sets even going back to the Inkworks sets (though I have probably have close to a set of the old Moonraker - my brother just found his), but if I did collect this latest set, I wouldn't feel like my master set was incomplete without the Connery cut signature. They made it too rare. In that way they made it a one-card set.

I would have done some kind of tribute card instead and put them randomly in packs in some kind of limited run and maybe not even announced it (wait for the collectors to find and talk about it). If Connery didn't want to or perhaps can't sign, why irritate a man in his later years by doing an end-run and repackaging old autographs. He probably wouldn't like to hear that it happened. Maybe he wouldn't care at all but why not print up a card that expresses appreciation for him being the actor some fans still think of as THE James Bond.

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Originally posted by X:

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Originally posted by David R:
Please, please, Rittenhouse, don't do this !

As someone who has a master set of the Bond autos, please don't make the Shima auto an impossible to get card, which you need 18 cases to obtain. How will someone be able to reasonably get this ? Disappointing if it is true. What a blow to the fans !

I can usually see the positives over the negatives but I'm really annoyed at the Shima card being an Archive Box exclusive. In fact I haven't been so annoyed at anything RA has done in a long time as I am with this card.

One could say they have already done this to the fans with recent Archive Box exclusive Honor Blackman and Clifton James cards. But at least those actors had alternate full-bleeds as an option. But making cards that are part of a numbered run so difficult to get is so unnecessary.

The Famke Janssen WOB card was a 6-case incentive and is near impossible to find. Shima being 3 times more difficult to obtain will frustrate many I'm sure.

And the plates... why not just insert them into the product? Why not include a new insert for all Bond fans to chase? It's not like there aren't enough of them: there are 83 Die Another Day base cards but I doubt there will be 83 Archive Boxes, so what do RA do with all the plate cards leftover?

I think Hunter, Oliver, and Ireland might be more relevant to Star Trek fans than realized here. Hunter was a known actor to my parents' generation before the show and he has status within the show as the captain before Kirk. Oliver is memorable as the "Orion girl" (sort of spoofed in the recent movie series) and Ireland was one of Spock's few girlfriends and a known actress and was married to Charles Bronson. Even a more casual fan of Star Trek, like me, would have no trouble recalling who they were on the show.

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Originally posted by Raven:

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Originally posted by WOMBLE:

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Originally posted by Raven:
I'm curious about your opinion on something you didn't mention. Whether you consider it part of the set or not, how much do you think the Connery cut will trade for? We don't know the number, so any range would be estimated, but I would not be surprised if a key number went for well over $10,000. Not saying it should, but if cut cards from minor Star Trek guest actors could sell for thousands, how could this one with its greater significance not be valued higher? Any thoughts?

Hi Raven, one thing to consider is that most Connery cuts/Archive boxes are likely to be on the market all at once on day one. Only a proportion of the Star Trek ones (being in the packs) will reach the dealers marketplace, as it is possible lucky collectors can find them.

I'm not sure how many Connery cuts will ever hit the market because interested parties seem to be already locking them up. If they are truly Bond card collectors they will slip into their collections and not reappear for awhile. They could also be flippers who will list as soon as they get it. Some dealers may take a chance and wait and see if the price does zoom up, but I get the feeling that most are taking the easy way out and just promising it to the first big offer.

Yes, the Star Trek cuts were done much better and turned out to be very profitable because you didn't have to make a huge investment to get one, just blind luck. I really was amazed at the selling prices of the first few Hunters, and Olivers and Irelands and there really is no way to rationalize it, except to say that people with money wanted them. I honestly think that, if I ever pulled one of them, I would break my longstanding habit and put it up for sale. I mean no disrespect to those actors, but I don't see how so much value can be attached to these cards. It was and that's that.

The Connery cut, by anybody's standard is much more important, and it takes a big investment to get it in the first place. It should go for a lot more at offer or auction. However it may be true that Bond card collectors are not as numerous or as committed as Star Trek card collectors, so it will top off quickly.

I don't think it will. I think dealers letting it go for $2,000 will be sorry. I was wrong about the ST cuts, I thought they would go for a few hundred at most. So I might as well be wrong about the Connery cut the opposite way and call it too high.

The fun part is that we can find out the answer once the product is out. I just hope we get enough true data from confirmed public sales to tell.

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Originally posted by WOMBLE:

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Originally posted by robomole:
Pictures of the autograph cards are now on the checklist! Since I don't keep duplicate autographs, now I gotta decide which pictures I like better. These new ones or the old ones. I'm already having a tough time deciding on some of them haha.

Thanks Robomole, the Shane Rimmer card is almost the same as the Mission Logs one.

Yeah, Shane Rimmer played a good part in The Spy Who Loved me, but that is a similar image,
John Wyman must be the full bleed champion, I already have him three times,and as for picking which image, the new Berenice Marlohe and Lea Seydoux are really nicer images than before.

Maybe RA will reconsider with these new Archive Box autos / relics, although I doubt it.

I don't see them on the checklist yet

If they do go ahead, I hope this is the final Bond set that they do, at least for awhile. It is really costing an arm and a leg

They list a gold signature Tanya Roberts. Is this an incentive auto, or just in the packs ?

And why are the 3 new autographed relics from SkyFall listed on the checklist under the regular autos ?

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Originally posted by David R:
They list a gold signature Tanya Roberts. Is this an incentive auto, or just in the packs ?

And why are the 3 new autographed relics from SkyFall listed on the checklist under the regular autos ?

If you were to make an assumption from the checklist posted, it would seem that all 4 cards are seeded in packs.

This of course has not been the case in prior Bond sets, where the Gold Signature cards and the Auto/Relic cards have been multiple case incentives.

So short answer is we will see when it comes. However if these types of cards are not incentives this time around, it would just add to the notion that RA might be cleaning out everything they are holding in the vault on this title.

Assuming there are only 20 or so of the Connery cut cards, does this mean if the Yvonne Shima is an Archive Box exclusive, that she signed about the same number ?

Here the wise words of wolfie.....never assume the amount of a card existing based on box or case numbers.

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Originally posted by wolfie:
Here the wise words of wolfie.....never assume the amount of a card existing based on box or case numbers.

...*cough* Inkworks liquidation *cough* old Bond autos flood the market *cough*