Cheers popped up on RA's release schedule with a mid 2024 release date.

https://www.scifihobby.com/releaseschedule-full.cfm

Too bad that Harry Anderson isn't still around to sign cards.

I think Sports Illustrated once made up some mockup Sam Mayday Malone baseball cards for an April Fools issue -- Rittenhouse should do a subset of those.

Wow! That could be super strong or a complete dud depending on who they got onboard to sign. Quite a few strong guest stars as well.

So I guess they aren't going to do another full Umbrella Academy release. Makes me happy I slammed in a master set of the first one.

Ted Danson is a confirmed signer.

I much preferred Frasier to Cheers, but I’ll be all over a Kelsey Grammer Frasier Crane auto.
As he signed for X-Men & Trek, hopefully he will sign for RA again for the show that put him on the map.

A double auto of Frasier & Lilith would be great.

Woody Harrelson would be amazing if they can get him.

I was thinking pretty much the same thing. I went from, "Why would you do that?" to "That could work."

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Originally posted by mykdude:
Wow! That could be super strong or a complete dud depending on who they got onboard to sign. Quite a few strong guest stars as well.

So I guess they aren't going to do another full Umbrella Academy release. Makes me happy I slammed in a master set of the first one.

If "Cheers" does well, we might see a "Frasier" set too. The autograph possibilities would be interesting just from the celebrities that did the call-ins to Frasier's radio show.

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Originally posted by X:
I much preferred Frasier to Cheers, but I’ll be all over a Kelsey Grammer Frasier Crane auto.
As he signed for X-Men & Trek, hopefully he will sign for RA again for the show that put him on the map.

A double auto of Frasier & Lilith would be great.

Woody Harrelson would be amazing if they can get him.

I only occasionally watched Cheers, but I have seen every episode of Frasier. Oddly enough Kelsey Grammer's Fraiser was my least favorite character. Perhaps the writers made him too much of an insufferable snob in the end. For me, the secondary plot of Niles and Daphne was the whole reason to watch, plus maybe Eddie.

I would love to see autographs from David Hyde Pierce, Jane Leeves and Peri Gilpin. Besides Grammer, I think only Bebe Neuwirth has done certified cards. Not sure if they would agree though. The current "Frasier" reboot is missing them all as main cast members and appears to have been a disappointment, but I have yet to see the new show.

Anyway, I feel the same way about "Cheers" cards as I would with "Frasier". If RA wants to put out boxes in this $150 - $250 price range that its got stuck in, it needs all the big signers from the regular cast and at least some better known guest stars. The chance of pulling very limited Ted Danson autograph cards will carry $75 boxes, but there must be more value if there is super high cost because, let's face it, you probably won't find him.

I think I saw at least most of the "Cheers" episodes when they originally ran - great show. It did seem like an odd choice to do the spin-off with Frasier but it might have seemed to have been an interesting challenge for the writers to make him a more sympathetic character over time. Yes, he wanted to be seen as a highly successful, stylish ladies' man but he often eneded up looking like a fool, and to his credit, he was able to recognize himself as that when it happened. Along the way, the audience also saw him trying to be a better person so people were cheering for him.

The first two episodes of the reboot were on CBS or NBC a couple of weeks ago and I watched. They were good with Frederick as a young man now. I assume other characters will appear over time. Other "Cheers" characters didn't visit "Frasier" very often.

Hopefully, RA will try to keep the cost down on the first set to make any price hike for the second tolerable. I look forward to reading some box breaks.

A number of the principals have passed on -- Nicholas Colasanto, Kirstie Alley, Harry Anderson, Roger Rees, Keene Curtis.

It'll be interesting to see if Jay Thomas (Carla's boyfriend Eddie LeBec) appears, since he was pushed out of the show for saying that kissing Rhea Perlman was bad.

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Originally posted by Bill Mullins:
It'll be interesting to see if Jay Thomas (Carla's boyfriend Eddie LeBec) appears, since he was pushed out of the show for saying that kissing Rhea Perlman was bad.

Never been paid to kiss someone before...I have no frame of reference on how to feel about this.

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Originally posted by mykdude:

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Originally posted by Bill Mullins:
It'll be interesting to see if Jay Thomas (Carla's boyfriend Eddie LeBec) appears, since he was pushed out of the show for saying that kissing Rhea Perlman was bad.

Never been paid to kiss someone before...I have no frame of reference on how to feel about this.

That part I don't remember because I wasn't that much of a "Cheers" follower, but it's called acting. Thomas is no Paul Newman and maybe she wasn't that thrilled about kissing him either.

Wise guys can't shut up, not even when it's in their best interests.

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Originally posted by Bill Mullins:
A number of the principals have passed on -- Nicholas Colasanto, Kirstie Alley, Harry Anderson, Roger Rees, Keene Curtis.

It'll be interesting to see if Jay Thomas (Carla's boyfriend Eddie LeBec) appears, since he was pushed out of the show for saying that kissing Rhea Perlman was bad.

Jay Thomas passed away a number of years ago.

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Originally posted by ifish7

Jay Thomas passed away a number of years ago.

Check that Obit thread. Nothing like being right up to date.

On the serious side, this is why the "death bounce" in non-sport signed cards has no lasting effect for lesser-known celebrities. If certified autograph cards do exist, there is generally some spike in price when the signer passes away, but it is only temporary. In a few years most people won't remember who is dead or alive, and values will return to the common ranges when it's not a major star.

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Originally posted by Raven:

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Originally posted by ifish7

Jay Thomas passed away a number of years ago.

Check that Obit thread. Nothing like being right up to date.

Doh!!

OTOH, if Tom Clancy can still publish books, it seems like Thomas could sign a few cards.

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Originally posted by Raven:

On the serious side, this is why the "death bounce" in non-sport signed cards has no lasting effect for lesser-known celebrities. If certified autograph cards do exist, there is generally some spike in price when the signer passes away, but it is only temporary. In a few years most people won't remember who is dead or alive, and values will return to the common ranges when it's not a major star.

Yeah, not to sound morbid but basically at that point for value about the best you could hope for is a resurgence or cult following of something they did.

When someone passes away it becomes a news cycle. People become interested again -- a lot of times for me it was that I had always wanted to get that person's autograph, but never did.

I think the only way prices really remain elevated in those cases is if all of the autographs for that person that were in the market dry up, or if there are still many out there.

I also think that having certified autographs of people who have passed away has become really common.

When Biz Markie passed away I was bummed as I always wanted his autograph. I watched people buy those autographs at inflated prices, then try to flip them. One seller paid ~$85 on COMC for a Biz Markie and immediately relisted for ~$200. I recently saw he had it listed for $37.

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Originally posted by Raven:
If certified autograph cards do exist, there is generally some spike in price when the signer passes away, but it is only temporary.

Not always. Ricky Jay had two signed James Bond cards. He was an acquaintance, and I keep up with them. While he was alive, I was able to pick them up regularly for under $25. Now they are typically offered fo $100 or so, and routinely sell for $50 - 100 (although a few slip through for less). But they essentially doubled when he died, and never fell back.

Value changes of certified autograph cards, when not extreme, may have no other reason than market fluctuation itself and may not be based on the individual at all, but on things like the product title and production run. Common signers will generally remain commons, absent some additional success, but prices for the group may well rise or fall as the checklist does. If I said the Ricky Jay cards rose after 2018, is that because he died or because the market for limited Bond autograph cards went up with the pandemic years? Could be both reasons.

This may be a generalization, but it is an absolutely true generalization that when a common signer dies the "ghoul" effect will kick in and create a temporary spike in sales. It's also true that 5 years later nobody remembers, and the demand is back to square one on average. Is anybody still looking for Johnny Lewis or Lee Thompson Young? Probably not much.

You can find exceptions if you look hard and want to find them, but as a rule death alone doesn't make for a star card price without something else going on.

Cheers is now on the main page. No details though.