I purchased one about 2019 I have been through my purchase history and it was not from 2020 for under $10
And i see that Promoking has one for sale around $130
These are all i have seen for sale for a long time

I ran across the error version of the #13 card from the Inline Classic Motorcycles Cards set (Inline, 1993). It has a hologram of an American motorcycle (1941 Indian 4-Cyclinder) and an American flag which is what is on the front of the SP1 random insert in the set and it has the checklist back. It was also mistakenly printed as a "prototype" on the back. I haven't seen a prototype version of the correct #13. Meanwhile, the correct #13 card has a hologram of a British motorcycle (1956 BSA) and the British flag on the front and a checklist on the back.

Here's the error:

I am not sure wether these are errors or variants I would go with variant
My two Dynamic X Files Contact promo cards are colored differently one Black one Grey both backs of them are Black only the front of one is Grey
The difference is so striking that I purchased it about when the set was issued
Never seen another one

Piko,

I read what I wrote and what you wrote and then realized that, yeah, it might not be an actual error card in that a prototype is the first version of a card. Someone might have simply decided to add a card to the set, the SP1, and use the prototype front for that and then put the British motorcycle and flag on the checklist card.

Jess

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Originally posted by piko:
I am not sure wether these are errors or variants I would go with variant
My two Dynamic X Files Contact promo cards are colored differently one Black one Grey both backs of them are Black only the front of one is Grey
The difference is so striking that I purchased it about when the set was issued
Never seen another one

Here's one said to be an error card from the "RMS Titanic 1912-2012 Commemorative Trading Card Collection" set (Cult-Stuff, 2012). It is said to have the front of the SW1 card and the back of the unnumbered "Minia" card. I didn't see an SW1 card in Allender's listing so I'm not actually sure what this card is. Maybe someone more familiar with the set can say for sure.

Hi All
I'm totally new to this forum, and site. I was wondering how I can report to the manufacturer of Upper Deck Cards. I'm a collector of comics, however, I collect everything X-23, Laura Kinney. Upper Deck Marvel X-Men Metal Universe Geodes X-23 #G-15, however, the picture on the card isn't X-23 it's actually her clone called Gabby. I have 2 of these cards, both have Gabby on the card instead of X-23. Would these be considered errors or what category would these cards be under? Also, if I send them into be graded, would they print Errors on the label? Also, which company would best send them in to be graded? Thank you for anyone that can help me with this card and any suggestions you may have.

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Originally posted by theycallmebruce3:
Hi All
I'm totally new to this forum, and site. I was wondering how I can report to the manufacturer of Upper Deck Cards. I'm a collector of comics, however, I collect everything X-23, Laura Kinney. Upper Deck Marvel X-Men Metal Universe Geodes X-23 #G-15, however, the picture on the card isn't X-23 it's actually her clone called Gabby. I have 2 of these cards, both have Gabby on the card instead of X-23. Would these be considered errors or what category would these cards be under? Also, if I send them into be graded, would they print Errors on the label? Also, which company would best send them in to be graded? Thank you for anyone that can help me with this card and any suggestions you may have.

Welcome!

This happens every so often when a character looks like another.

UD won't fix the error by printing new cards. So it will go down in informed circles as an unreprinted error card.

You'd have to ask the grading company about tagging it as an error. The big boys (PSA, BGS) would likely need UD to admit the error publicly. Some of the smaller companies would likely be more swayed by your knowledge and tag the label accordingly.

Not likely to get UD to publicly admit the error. They're likely to say Marvel approved the cards and they are the last judge. But we know errors get made. They just don't get admitted to that often.

Ed

It will never be called an "error card" because there isn't a corrected version. You must have the pair, in some cases multiple versions, or the card with the wrong photo or bad text is just something that has been identified as a sloppy mistake on the card maker's part.

Depending on how many copies of each version was made, the "corrected" version or versions can be rarer than the actual "error card" and may be the one that earns a higher premium.

With the modern one-shot methods of printing and no second print runs there are practically no true "error cards" or "corrected cards" made anymore. Just cards that have quality control mistakes or the occasional production defect.

Grading would only be affected if there is a condition reduction. They will not call it an "error card" because all the cards are exactly the same.

Here's an odd error I hadn't heard of before and noticed it only recently. It's from the 1977 Star Wars General Mills stickers aka Star Wars ADPAC General Mills stickers (32-card set with 16 in English and the same 16 in French and English from Canada). They are 3 1/4 x 4 1/8 inches.

The one on the left is the regular one. The one on the right has the graphics slightly but noticeably offset.

That almost looks like a print malfunction.

I recently realized that Lochlyn Munro's Dead Zone autograph is misspelled as Monro.

Makes a difference in ebay searches.

I had started to write a reply about that very thing, but discarded it because the scan is somewhat difficult to tell. My initial reaction to the photo was that it is not an error card, but an off-register print.

One of my pet peeves regarding mainly older cards is they are sometimes misrepresented as error and variant cards, when what you really have are defected cards, either damaged out right or incompletely or inadequately produced in the printing process.

In the era of mass production prior to the last 20 or so years, quality control on card printing was bad and sometimes non-existent. Off-center cards with uneven borders were never wanted. Yet collectors would buy blank back or blank front cards as though they were desirable errors. If a card came out missing the foil or gold trim, they called it a variant. Slight differences in color shading became a different card, as though it was intended to be that way.

In fact, the majority of these differences are due to poor manufacturing and, contrary to adding value, these are defective cards that should have grade deductions. Also, people continue to identify error cards that have misspellings or wrong information, when there was never a corrected version. No card can be called an error card when they are all exactly the same.

Brooke Bond with their Tea cards issued corrected cards with some of their issues both here in the UK and in Canada, probably because their issues would be in the tea for many months giving them the opportunity to issue amended cards. Topps also issued corrected cards with their Michael Jackson and X-Files cards. I believe Pro Set also issued some corrected cards. Clearly some manufacturers paid attention to customer complaints. Also in the days of cigarette card issues several issuers also produced corrected cards but these would be too numerous to mention. I know of at least one author who has published more than one book on error cards. These days I think some manufacturers have no further interest in the product once it has been sold.

regards

John

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Originally posted by JOHN LEVITT:
These days I think some manufacturers have no further interest in the product once it has been sold.

regards

John

Safe to say no card maker cares about a product that has been sold out. However they start to care when their dealers, distributors and bulk buyers cancel or cut back on new orders because the old inventory is still sitting, and they lost money on the last products they bought. That's when the maker takes notice, but only then.

But the main reason why corrected cards are not produced anymore is because of the method of modern printing. They don't do multiple runs. It's printed once and packed out. If there is a mistake, they all have the same mistake. It becomes a card with an error, but not an error card because there is no other corrected version.

I remember that a common Jurassic Park card set with the 4 holograms had different backs. I don't have them in front of me right now, but there was something on the back that didn't match the dinosaur on the front and another type of error. So, there were I think 2 variations for each sticker. To confuse things further, JP series 1 and JP series 2 had different holograms so certain ones belong to one set or the other. I am missing a couple, but I haven't been collecting in a long time anyway, this is not on the top of my list.

Maybe you guys have more info?

Another error were Achilleos Series 1 silver title cards. I don't think the same error happened with the gold cards. I am still looking for the silver error card with the logo on the corner like the other 89 cards. This on the other hand, I would like to get one.

David

Hi David,
it's nice to see you posting again. On the JP holograms, there were 2 different color, 4 card sets. The silver ones were randomly inserted in Jurassic Park packs. The other 4 were amber color and found in the Jurassic Park magazines. I know that on the amber ones, there were two #4s and I don't think there was a #2. I don't know if the same error was repeated in the silver ones.

On the Achilleos, can you post a picture of what you are referring to please?

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Almost 3 years later...I was reading elsewhere (Blowout) that it seems some non-sport error cards have really taken off in value, and as you might guess, they are 90's Marvel cards. Those collectors seem to be interested in cards with no foil where the cards were supposed to have foil backgrounds (the original art fully shown) or where the logo was supposed to be foil but isn't. In other words, not miscuts/misprints but stamping mistakes that are still attractive with more money going for favorite/more popular characters (Wolverine, Spider-Man). Such an error can go for a couple of hundred dollars now and one collector even admitted he shelled out $1000 for a card he had to have.

There is a lot I just don't understand anymore. . . but I'm learning, especially as I've bought more sports cards due to ePack.

In sports cards there is just a huge amount of everything to collect. I used to not understand when a sports card guy would come to our world and ask a question like "Which is the best <insert celebrity name here> autograph card to collect?" The answer was always -- whatever one you like the most (there may be exceptions for rarity).

Most non-sport signers only have signed a handful of times (that too isn't quite as accurate now with Leaf, but generally not far off), but most collectible sports card guys have signed for dozens of sets. It's normal when I look up a hockey player that they've side for 40-50 or more sets if they've been playing for a while.

Looking for the 'best' autograph I think has something to do with the competitiveness and speculation that happens in sports cards that mostly we don't see in entertainment cards. The thing is that it works in that universe because there are so many collectors looking for what their hobby deems 'the best.'

Marvel Cards -- specifically the Marvel Comic/art cards have evolved into their own subset of the hobby (much like Star Wars or Garbage Pail Kids) where the norms of most of the hobby don't always apply.

The error cards can be cool, for sure. But in order to have that kind of value there either has to be enough people collecting them to push the value up, someone throwing money around, or perhaps some sort of a pump and dump scheme. I can't even start to speculate on what the case is here. . . it's cool someone found a niche they enjoy, but I always feel like if they just kinda did their own thing they could have built up an awesome collection -- errors in this case -- without a lot of competition from other buyers and much cheaper.

This remains one of those things I just don't understand.

Error cards have become the final frontier for Marvel collectors. Some of them came from the sports card hobby and they drove prices up during the pandemic. They have the master sets they want (or just the chase cards, promos and dealer kits). What they don't have, and they're difficult to checklist are the random error cards. The problem is that even longtime collectors don't always notice an offset stamp or missing foil because most of us focus on the numbers so available supply at any given time has been very low. We just wanted to complete the sets.

Some collectors did notice an oddball or two and kept them with the set not planning on letting them go so that also limited what landed on the secondary market.

You can try quietly collecting error cards but once you start asking for them from a dealer or two, word gets out that someone wants Marvel error cards and then auctions for them start getting more bids. Other collectors who were quietly collecting them too realize they are going to have to get lucky to add to what they have because people not really interested in them (all their Marvel cards are rare ones) are outbidding you because they just want whatever the hot thing is right now. At some point, you might as well talk about them especially once you have an idea that you have an example of just about all the ones that are cool to you.

I have a feeling more foil errors are floating out there across the various Skybox sets but few have noticed them yet. I bought a ton of loose packs and some boxes of the various Star Wars Widevision cards and I didn't notice any missing or offset holofoil stamps. Topps did put out some without the stamps but only for cards that were special, differently-numbered inserts with toys. Maybe Topps had better quality control -watched for errors and tossed them more than Skybox did.

Yep, I agree about error collecting being a final frontier of sorts. It is for me at least. The 90s sets I collect have all long ago been completed, but that leaves me asking “what else can I possibly add to this set”- and that has resulted in me turning to two things mainly- errors and uncut sheets. Both super huge challenges with the scarcity involved. Some of my favorite items ever are the combination of those two: error uncut sheets (basically catching an error in progress..talk about rare!).

I have been collecting marvel errors for years…could write a full length book on it haha (that Blowout poster is me, DynaEtch). Errors are a fascinating subject, as is the market for errors, a whole topic on its own. A very superficial comparison would be this: in terms of interest in error cards it roughly goes Pokemon/TCG > Nonsports > Sports (outside the famous ones). In Pokemon, people basically lose their minds over factory misprints, they get a lot of attention. In Sports, the *main* ones get lots of attention, the Thomas NNOF, Billy Ripken, and some vintage tobacco era errors, etc. But a random 1996 Donruss baseball wrong back card or a 1994 topps card without foil…no one is batting an eye, these are near valueless, $5 tops. I would put nonsports, particularly Marvel, on the middle of that spectrum. It is VERY niche…but there is a market for them. A typical marvel no-foil error etc will go for $30-75. The most egregious errors will go for more. I have sold a 92Marvel Universe totally messed up Hulk holo for $200, a wrong back 92MM error for $200, and a 94 Ultra X-Men only-foil base card for $300. The $1000 error sale referenced above is a true sale…actually there have been 2 (ask me how I know, ha). In fairness both of those $1k sales were overpaid..not truly worth that much. One theory why nonsports errors get more attention than random sports misprints is people are master set collecting more in nonsports, in a completionist sense, vs say 1996 Donruss baseball.

Errors are interesting because their rarity. There are a zillion and one 1992 Marvel Masterpieces sets out there, but how many of those have this Wolverine vs Sabretooth wrong back?



So errors can kind of set a collection apart, in that sense.

On the no-foil thing. They are great, sort of like “virgin-variant” comic covers without the trade dressing and it’s just the awesome art itself. There are no-foils, over-foils, and only-foils.

No foil like this 93MM Thanos.


There are also many “Prepress” cards circulating from this 93MM set that are not technically errors, instead were cut from a no-foil “prepress” uncut sheet. I have the 90-card set of them…but it takes a trained eye to tell them apart from pack-pulled error cards (the pack pulled are not hand cut, have the glossy uv coating, and some, but not all, have indentations where the name is if tilted in the light, just no foil. The prepress ones have none of that). Set of prepress 93MM cards:


In case you’re wondering what the checklist looks like without its famous pink foil…all black.


Here is another no-foil, on an insert:


Over-foils- errors like this 94MM Carnage Holofoil where it’s problem is too much foil…which makes a nifty error.



And then Only-foils. There is no printing on the card, just the foil. The reverse situation of the no-foil Thanos above. These are some of the hardest errors to find, really are jewels of the error world. It has been speculated this error can be replicated in theory from regular cards, but I do not agree with that. My only “only-foil”:



I have amassed some 300+ genuine factory misprints from the Masterpieces line, and a few error sheets. I don’t think many others out there care much about them, I just do it as a joy to collect and challenge to track things down. I still routinely buy and open 93 Masterpieces boxes, weeding through possibly bricked cards digging for error gold (as someone noted- skybox had its fair share of QC mishaps…especially in the 93MM set in particular). Some of my wildest errors are 1)A card with 94 Marvel Masterpieces back and 1994 Marvel Universe front (a whole different marvel set), and 2)A card with a 1994 Marvel Masterpieces back and 1994 Skybox NBA Hoops base on front (a whole different genre!).

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Here is an error uncut sheet (posted this elsewhere).

The foil was stamped on the back of the sheet instead of the front. So front is no-foil, back has the foil.

Next to a regular DynaEtch uncut sheet (hard to tell from pic, but top sheet has no foil):


The back of the error sheet has the foil (upside down on the sheet):






So like catching an error being made in action.