I recently saw a video on YouTube were a kid is going around to different arcade games
trying to win prizes. Many of the coin pusher machines drop card onto the field, and if you collect
one of each cards you win a bonus. These machine are themed based...Star Wars, Willy Wonka, Hello Kitty etc...
I was just wondering if anyone collected these cards as part of their collection

Do not know for sure but from time to time I see vending machine cards up for grabs ,
Most of them seem to be sparkly and Marvel.
Look under Vending Machine cards if you are interested but they are quiet pricey.
Thats all I know.

When I've gone down the shore, I have seen many of those machines with DC Comics cards (Superman and Batman, and their villains) and ones for the 1971 Willy Wonka film with Gene Wilder.

I have the Willy Wonka set and a handful of others. I always liked playing these machines, now that they've added cards (they're more like credit cards) it's a no-brainer.

I have seen many vending and arcade machines that include cards. Have not been down to the Jersey shore in ages. Nobody is saying who made these cards you are talking about. Is there a manufacturer named? Are the cards licensed for the theme? Are the games licensed? If so, does the license extend to the cards?

The question isn't whether or not the cards are nice looking and people keep them. People can keep anything they want. The question was are these coin pusher cards collectible to a person who has a card collection?

If you can identify origin and prove licensed manufacturing, the answer is YES.

If you can't and they are unlicensed, the answer is NO. They would have no collectible value because they are technically counterfeit, created by an unknown company, in unknown numbers, for an unknown time. Whatever selling value they may have is purely as novelties and they shouldn't be mixed into anybody's legacy card collection. Unlicensed cards taint the collection.

This is an example of what I have seen


https://www.bing.com/images/se...layview&mode=overlay

The ones I’ve seen have been in licensed machines at Andretti Indoor Karting locations. Can’t believe that they would not be licensed there, especially since they have all the interactive video games that are.

Just goes to show that there are new card topics out there. I can't recall anyone discussing these Coin Pusher cards on Card Talk before. So I did a quick search on the forum and nothing besides this new thread came up. On Blowout there is a couple of older short mentions, but not about licenses.

So, looking at the card backs on a Google search, they have TM DC. I see no specific manufacturer stated. This Bandai Namco seems to be the amusement game machine maker. These cards are classified as collectible card games. I have only seen DC characters so far, nothing of the other titles mentioned.

Without knowing who makes them and in what editions, they would appear to be licensed under the broad DC franchise. Now Upper Deck has a DC license for entertainment trading cards, which we know. These Coin Pusher cards are not the same thing, so there could be multiple DC licenses.

Because the ones I've seen are drawn DC characters, I don't know how much the market value could be, unless there are prizes involved.

This subject is a new one on me, but the facts remain the same. If these cards are licensed by DC they are indeed collectible. If you get any other cards out of vending machines that have no license when there is a copyright holder, they are not collectibles, just cheap novelties.

They have been availible for years but not many have been on E Bay they just dont turn up .
My experience is you have to do a search for them I have a few but got them so long ago I can not put my hands on them now . I class them as Promos.
Mainly Hulk Spiderman Captain America and they were not even then cheap and as far as i know they were licenced .I think the earlier ones were obtained by redeeming tickets you won fron arcade gaming machines so many tickets got you a card.I have been to the nearest arcade to me here but the person running it could not help me .
I think it was only a USA thing.

This brings up the interpretation of the meaning of an unlicensed card. Many people get it wrong. They believe any card without a license is automatically unlicensed.

That is not true, because many cards don't need a license. They use subjects in the public domain, or they work around stepping on anyone's copyrights. They don't violate any existing license holders and are therefore in compliance with the law.

An unlicensed card is a card that is created without getting the approval or paying for the approval of the existing copyright holder. If that happens, those cards are considered counterfeit merchandise, especially when mass produced for sale. Custom cards are a bit different when made strictly as an individual hobby, but selling can be a problem.

I have heard card collectors refer to certain products like Pop Century as unlicensed. No, Leaf may not have specific property licenses when making these celebrity cards but works around them in photos and text.

Whereas making cards of DC characters or Marvel characters or Disney characters without a license is counterfeit unlicensed merchandise. It's not really a gray area. If someone holds an existing copyright license, that license must be bought or rented before anyone else can reproduce images, and especially for profit.

I can not imagine Marvel DC letting unlicenced product especially these being issued must be thousands out there.Also it is unusual for there to be so few for sale but have not looked lately as there would be lots of them around .Kids must of discarded them after redeeming then as the thrill wore off.

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They believe any card without a license is automatically unlicensed.

????

The logic here, it hurts my brain.

Some people believe that any card that is not printed with a glossy coating is automatically unglossy.

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Originally posted by Bill Mullins:

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They believe any card without a license is automatically unlicensed.

????

The logic here, it hurts my brain.

Some people believe that any card that is not printed with a glossy coating is automatically unglossy.

It shouldn't hurt your brain, but I will try one last time.

Applying the term "unlicensed card" should be reserved for subjects that have a license and a copyright holder. To declare an "unlicensed card" is to imply a counterfeit, made without the approval or consent of the legal license holder.

Other cards are based on subjects that have no licenses, no active copyrights that are being violated. Some collectors also lump them into the "unlicensed card" category, when they truly are legitimately made and are not counterfeit. They require no license to be legal and are perfectly collectible.

"Unlicensed cards", those created without legal approval, may or may not be made well. Doesn't matter, they are not collectible. They are counterfeit and shouldn't be mixed into a card collection because it devalues the whole.

Cards that don't require a license, fall into the category of licensed collectible cards. Cards that do require a license and have been made without paying the copyright holder are "unlicensed cards" and are not collectible, just wasted money for those who don't know or care.

That isn't my opinion, it's hobby rules since the beginning. Licensing is one of the highest expenses for a card manufacturer on any mainstream title. It is the first priority, and it means everything to either have a license or not need one. "Unlicensed cards" are counterfeit, that is also hobby rules from the beginning. Hope that explains my logic in correctly applying the term.

Getting back on topic, if the DC TM is on these coin pusher cards in question and DC isn't complaining, they must be licensed or else DC would take action. At least that's what it looks like. No idea if there is any market demand for them though.

Ok here is a question
Dose a producer who wants to include a card within their product as a sort of incentive have to get a licence to be able to insert the card/s into their packaging or product or print copies on their product packaging?

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Originally posted by piko:
Ok here is a question
Dose a producer who wants to include a card within their product as a sort of incentive have to get a licence to be able to insert the card/s into their packaging or product or print copies on their product packaging?

The simple answer would be that if the image was under copyright, it should not be reproduced without the approval of the license holder. It wouldn't matter if the image was on a base card, an incentive or the packaging itself.

Now if such an image was used without approval or compensation to the license holder, especially if mass produced for profit, it would still be up to the copyright owner to protect their property.

Some companies like Disney and Marvel are notorious for doing just that with cease and desist orders. Others do not want to take legal action for various reasons and just let the activity go on. Sometimes the license may be old or in question and there is no one left to claim infringement. Similarly, a few handmade custom cards are hardly worth being noticed. So, whether or not an unlicensed image or unlicensed card gets challenged can depend on the parties involved and on just how much money is being made by the selling of the unlicensed product.

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Originally posted by Raven:

Applying the term "unlicensed card" should be reserved for subjects that have a license

Again, ????

The term "unlicensed card" should be applied to cards that don't have a license.

You are wanting people to use terms with to mean the opposite of what the rest of English-speakers mean.

Brain still hurts.

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Originally posted by Bill Mullins:

You are wanting people to use terms with to mean the opposite of what the rest of English-speakers mean.

Brain still hurts.

No, I speak only English actually.

Bill, I can see you just don't get my comments on what separates legitimately collectible cards from counterfeit "unlicensed" cards. It isn't just having a license; it can also be not needing a license, and the product will still be collectible. "Unlicensed card" means someone else holds the copyright, but this manufacturer is violating it.

So, call it whatever you want, but don't pay good money for bad cards. I have to let this one go now.

It's not that I don't get your comments. It's that we have fundamentally different worldviews on cards. I don't think that your phrase "legitimately collectible" is useful. People collect what they want to collect. They collect any number of cards that legally should be licensed and aren't: these, the Yoda SW Galaxy P3 promo, Raygun cards, Pinbackerz cards, Phantom Cardboard cards, etc. In the 1980s when "Broders" were a thing, I knew several people who collected them -- they were cheap, and often offered nice looking cards.

They also collect cards that don't require any licenses because they use public domain imagery: National Parks Service cards, cards of presidents, Civil War sets. The recent "Historical Autographs" sets consist mostly (all?) of cards that need no license at all.

I think the only thing that separates uncollectible cards from collectible ones is that people either collect them, or don't.

I think that most card collectors dont know or give a hoot about licenced or unlicenced cards.
mainly dont know .
They just collect and buy cards that they like.
If you are asked are your cards licenced i bet you stare at them in wonderment and think WT? are they on about.
Or do you go into a sellers shop and ask for licenced cards.
Licenced is not plastered on the pack in big letters to make it more saleable.
Is there any site that says ( we sell only licenced cards). Do card companies say we have to charge extra for cards as we have to pay for a licenge to produce them etc.We never think about such things.

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Originally posted by Bill Mullins:
I think the only thing that separates uncollectible cards from collectible ones is that people either collect them, or don't.

And they keep pulling you back in.

So Bill, your worldview on cards is that there are no right cards to collect, and there are no wrong cards to collect. There are no hobby red lines and no absolute rules to follow.

Counterfeit cards are as good as licensed cards. Fake autographs on cards are as good as authentic autographs on cards. And no one should advise anyone about what cards they should collect or which ones they should avoid, even if they are trying to help them.

No Bill, that is not your worldview. I am absolutely sure that your own card collection, as personal and nuanced as it may be to compile, is not made up of counterfeits, fakes and junk. You know better.

And just for the record, although I really don't use the phrase "legitimately collectible", if somebody wants their card collection to be worth more money than they spent on it someday, it had better be legitimately collectible, or they may as well throw it all out.