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Originally posted by Raven:

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Originally posted by HIM:
In the case of the Nimoy auto that you got through his Etsy store, if you had the connection at Rittenhouse to have one put in a toploader with their gold seal on it, you got ALOT more than people selling without.

Huh?

Are you talking about the autograph card sold with the Tee shirts via the Twitter notice? I don't think there was a seal, and if one was somehow put on, I don't see how that makes it worth any more. It was a special RA design that came signed directly from Nimoy and made a tidy profit on the secondary market.

If there's a story about shady seals, I'm game.

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Originally posted by Logan:

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Originally posted by Raven:

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Originally posted by HIM:
In the case of the Nimoy auto that you got through his Etsy store, if you had the connection at Rittenhouse to have one put in a toploader with their gold seal on it, you got ALOT more than people selling without.

Huh?

Are you talking about the autograph card sold with the Tee shirts via the Twitter notice? I don't think there was a seal, and if one was somehow put on, I don't see how that makes it worth any more. It was a special RA design that came signed directly from Nimoy and made a tidy profit on the secondary market.

If there's a story about shady seals, I'm game.

Here are 2 examples I found on worthpoint that are gold sealed:

http://www.worthpoint.com/wort...graph-card-152243417

http://www.worthpoint.com/wort...nimoy-llap-138971859

For what it's worth in one of the descriptions the seller states that "RA had a small supply signed for themselves and comes sealed with their official RA gold seal."

I had a Twilight Zone Elizabeth Allen that I bought from a very reputable dealer at the Philly Show last year. It had the gold seal intact, but what made it strange was that it was also in a penny sleeve first, which I was very happy about (for card protection purposes). I know however that RA didn't start putting the incentives in penny sleeves until the last few years, long after the Elizabeth Allen card was initially issued. It just makes me wonder if certain mega dealers are able to buy single cards from RA, which is why the cards can be found sealed when there not supposed to be or sealed with penny sleeves when they're not supposed have the sleeve. I also recall seeing a few Star Trek TOS Romulan Shatner autographs also that were sealed when there was no reason for them to be. Here's an example of one of those:

http://www.worthpoint.com/wort...am-shatner-161499159

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Originally posted by simpsonscardman:
Makes me wonder if there's away of getting the sticker off or re-apply the sticker to a differernt card??its interesting how come collectors will just purchase the a stickered card without checking it out 1st??

But if its in a gold seal??it must be real???that's a sure fire way for fakers to
make a few easy £ or $??

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Originally posted by Booker:

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Originally posted by simpsonscardman:
Makes me wonder if there's away of getting the sticker off or re-apply the sticker to a differernt card??its interesting how come collectors will just purchase the a stickered card without checking it out 1st??

But if its in a gold seal??it must be real???that's a sure fire way for fakers to
make a few easy £ or $??

Yikes! I hope not. I'm already paranoid about fakes as it is...

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Originally posted by simpsonscardman:
and even a topps Star Wars sketch card in a Rittenhouse gold stickered top loader!!

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Originally posted by Raven:

So I guess the lesson is that no one should automatically think a card with a seal is any more authentic than any other card that you have to inspect before buying.

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Originally posted by simpsonscardman:

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Originally posted by Logan:

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Originally posted by Raven:

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Originally posted by HIM:
In the case of the Nimoy auto that you got through his Etsy store, if you had the connection at Rittenhouse to have one put in a toploader with their gold seal on it, you got ALOT more than people selling without.

Huh?

Are you talking about the autograph card sold with the Tee shirts via the Twitter notice? I don't think there was a seal, and if one was somehow put on, I don't see how that makes it worth any more. It was a special RA design that came signed directly from Nimoy and made a tidy profit on the secondary market.

If there's a story about shady seals, I'm game.

Here are 2 examples I found on worthpoint that are gold sealed:

http://www.worthpoint.com/wort...graph-card-152243417

http://www.worthpoint.com/wort...nimoy-llap-138971859

For what it's worth in one of the descriptions the seller states that "RA had a small supply signed for themselves and comes sealed with their official RA gold seal."

I had a Twilight Zone Elizabeth Allen that I bought from a very reputable dealer at the Philly Show last year. It had the gold seal intact, but what made it strange was that it was also in a penny sleeve first, which I was very happy about (for card protection purposes). I know however that RA didn't start putting the incentives in penny sleeves until the last few years, long after the Elizabeth Allen card was initially issued. It just makes me wonder if certain mega dealers are able to buy single cards from RA, which is why the cards can be found sealed when there not supposed to be or sealed with penny sleeves when they're not supposed have the sleeve. I also recall seeing a few Star Trek TOS Romulan Shatner autographs also that were sealed when there was no reason for them to be. Here's an example of one of those:

http://www.worthpoint.com/wort...am-shatner-161499159

Makes me wonder if there's away of getting the sticker off or re-apply the sticker to a differernt card??its interesting how come collectors will just purchase the a stickered card without checking it out 1st??

But if its in a gold seal??it must be real???that's a sure fire way for fakers to make a few easy £ or $??

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Originally posted by wolfie:
If nobody ever pays more for a sealed one than they do for an unsealed one then the problem no longer exists.

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Originally posted by Booker:
I'm actually not paying more for a sealed auto, I'm paying LESS for the unsealed one. Unsealed autos are no longer considered new/mint/uncirculated, and with all the fakes out there, the authenticity will always be questioned.

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Originally posted by Booker:
For example, would you be comfortable paying full price for a "new but open box" dvd player? Or how about an Iphone without the factory sticker on the screen? Or a video game without the shrink wrap? These items, although new, are not factory sealed & therefore worth less than its counterparts.

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Originally posted by DeathStorm:

Not really a fair comparison, electronics eventually break down so if it's used or not is important to consider but a piece of cardboard tends not to have any moving parts that can break!

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Originally posted by Triple-Frog:
I always break the seal and put the card into a more archival safe penny sleeve and holder.

While I accept that there are fakes out there the gold seal is absolutely no guarantee of authenticity.Anyone smart enough to fake a card to a reasonable standard would find faking the gold seal childs play.

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Originally posted by simpsonscardman:

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Originally posted by Triple-Frog:
I always break the seal and put the card into a more archival safe penny sleeve and holder.

While I accept that there are fakes out there the gold seal is absolutely no guarantee of authenticity.Anyone smart enough to fake a card to a reasonable standard would find faking the gold seal childs play.

The cards are not safe in these toploaders,so collectors are taking a big risk by leaving them in there!its going to be very interesting to see where all this goes in the next 5-10 years!!