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| Gold Card Talk Member |
And if they are getting 2 or 4 of the pieceworks incentives that will sell for 150 each that's another 300.00 to 450.00 so it's like buying 7 cases getting 3 free  Do they make the duel autos up in advance or wait till orders are placed? If they are made up in advance I wonder what they do with the leftovers  ____________________ Ignore list Batman, Headless | |||
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Diamond Card Talk Member |
I would have to agree, but for a slightly different reason. I don't think a totally manufactured collectable with no guarantee of future scarity should be anyone's idea of a Holy Grail. Let's say its 25 years from now. David and Gillian are in their 60's, sitting at the Si-Fi convention because of the only thing they have ever been famous for, signing stacks of X-File photos. Unlikely, yes. Impossible, no. Not to pick on them, how about SMG? Her career hasn't been doing so good since Buffy. People talk about her autograph card as being the Holy Grail. Once she starts signing stickers, and she will eventually, they could turn up all over the place. My point is ultra-rare is only good for now. There is no inherit value in this type of product. Its worth whatever people are willing to pay at the time. And who knows if and when they will make more because there is nothing other than paying the signers that prevents it. I know of a lot of autograph cards I would like to have, and this would be one of them. But I wouldn't pay $1000 for it and I wouldn't complain about it being an incentive. Its a desirable card for a fan, but there's nothing Holy about it. | |||
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It's only hypotehtical to say that in 25 years from now GA/DD may be signing a stack of autos that we can buy at a convention, and it's not even likely. This auto card exists now, and is actually attainable to a wider audience than say a signed script or other item signed by both stars where the authenticity can be guaranteed. Can you name any other item from this series that is on the open market which can be compared in rarity and collectibility? I can't. Holy Grail may be a bad analogy, but it's accurate in this case IMHO. ____________________ There are more worlds than the one you can hold in your hand. | |||
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Silver Card Talk Member |
I have to agree with you there. I really don't find anything special about a dual auto that just has two stickers plastered on them. I mean really when you think about it, they aren't any more special than the single autos. David signed a stack of stickers, Gillian signed a stack of stickers and then they were placed on three different cards, none of which were ever touched by the stars. A dual auto is supposed to be special because it means that BOTH stars actually signed that particular card, but with sticker autos this doesn't happen anymore. I think this dual auto has completely overshadowed David signing for the first time, perhaps they should have left it for a future set (20th Anniversary) rather than a 10 case incentive that you have to pay $1000 for. I mean I've spent some money on cards, but I would not pay that much money for any single card, even if it had been a dual auto signed ON the card. I still want the single autos though  | |||
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Remember the old saying, "History repeats its self" We will have that here with this set. Way back in the olden days Rittenhouse Archives released Stargate SG1 season 7 back in 2005. It was the first time RA released a 6 case incentive. It was calculated that there were only 90 of these autos and when the first one hit ebay it sold for over $1,000. Now slow forward to 2008, that card, when found on ebay only sells for between $300 and $400. I am sure Inkworks will release over 1,000 cases for X-files the movie and create (because they are stickers) at least 100 dual auto's. Come back here in 3 years and the price of the dual auto will be less than $500 | |||
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| Silver Card Talk Member |
You're probably right about that, that's why its not always best to buy at the beginning of a release. I was wondering how much the Gillian auto from Connections were selling for when that set was released? The cheapest I've seen it go for recently was just over $200 and the ones she signed for previous sets sell for more than that still. | |||
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| Diamond Card Talk Member |
With all due respect I think you are missing my argument. This is as I said a desirable card, but it is a manufactured collectible that can be done in various forms for as many sticker autographs as Inkworks has or can get. If this card is selling for $1000 now, do you really see it appreciating in value? And if you want to talk about hypotheticals it is much more likely that these relatively YOUNG actors are going to be paid for alot of autographs in their lifetimes. Now if you are looking for a Holy Grail try something that can't be reproduced and wasn't made just to be sold to card collectors. In other words, there are no such cards, just desirable additions to your collection. | |||
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Main Entry: Holy Grail Function: noun Date: 15th century 1: grail 2often not capitalized : an object or goal that is sought after for its great significance. The dual card definitely does fit this definition taken Webster's dictionary. The fact that Inkworks has managed to turn off a number of X-Files fans with the use of stickers doesn't mean that the dual card no longer fits the bill. I do agree with Raven, however that the use of stickers certainly lessons the value/importance of this card as there is no telling how many stickers, if any that have been set aside for future use. | |||
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| Gold Card Talk Member |
I don't know about most people but less then 500.00 is still WAY TO RICH for my blood EVEN if they made 1,000 cases that wouldn't be 100 duel autos because for every dealer that only buys a couple cases that knocks down the need for the duel autos. That's why I wonder if they did x amount in advance or wait for the orders to come in..____________________ Ignore list Batman, Headless | |||
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Titanium Card Talk Member |
Thats a good question, anyone know the answer? If 100 were made because there was going to be 1000 cases what happens to all the ones left over if only 50 are given out to 10 case purchasers? Or is it a case now that 100 cards would be made but the stickers would only be stuck on one when someone put in an order for 10 cases. ____________________ Come, it is time for you to keep your appointment with The Wicker Man. | |||
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| Gold Card Talk Member |
This is one reason manufacturers prefer stickers.It gives them a lot more flexibility about when and how they use them. Almost certainly they produce the cards but the sticker goes on only when they have a buyer.No doubt the ones left will be used for the 15 case incentive triple auto in the Update set with the leftover Chris Carter autos  . | |||
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| Titanium Card Talk Member |
You may well have something there. ____________________ Come, it is time for you to keep your appointment with The Wicker Man. | |||
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| Silver Card Talk Member |
It may also be that Card Companies give the left over Multi-Case incentives to their MOST VALUED CUSTOMERS! Perhaps any incentives left over could be inserted into packets of the next release of a companies product. Just a thought. | |||
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Hi David I was wondering if you have seen this card  I have been chasing this for a few years now Regards Hosie | |||
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Its the secondary market that gets these crazy prices. Not worth being a completest on sets with ultra rare limited edition cards. ____________________ Dazed and Confused | |||
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Gold Card Talk Member |
More information on that card please, Hosie! What set is it from, etc. | |||
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| Titanium Card Talk Member |
It's from the Intrepid set. ____________________ Come, it is time for you to keep your appointment with The Wicker Man. | |||
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Gold Card Talk Member |
Ok, but WHAT is it!?! | |||
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| Titanium Card Talk Member |
You're asking me? Woof, like i know allready. ____________________ Come, it is time for you to keep your appointment with The Wicker Man. | |||
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I far as I know it was called a "master cel' card its a plastic card like the contact case card It was made by Intrepid I have only ever seen this picture . I fellow card collector own it & sold it back in the 90s . He gave me the picture of it | |||
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