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Originally posted by Juelle Lou:
I know some people bought five and six cases and still didn't make a Master set out of the Vampire Diaries.
I'm hoping that is because they're still working out the kinks and not going to be the norm for all the other Cryptozoic sets coming out soon.

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Originally posted by hammer:
Problem is with 20 Auto's and 20 Costume at 1 each per box even with PERFECT collation you will only have 24/40 (60%) of the main chase cards in the set, some of the breakdowns have ended up with dupes making 18/40 (45%) which is very poor. At $700 per case that makes a set VERY expensive and could start putting people off their product. 1 case should be getting (IMO) at least 75-80% of a set and 2 cases should be getting you a Master set.

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Originally posted by MrBlueofnyc:

Would someone tell that to topps? Maybe they should just sell master sets, dont even bother boxing the cards. Thought the whole point of packs and boxes and cases was to gamble on the chance of hit multiples of the larger valued cards. Like Gambling. I see just as many breaks with people who got extra hits in their boxes or cases than those who were missing a hit. Those are the chances you take (or gamble) when you buy boxes or cases. Other wise why not just buy the cards off that auction site and not mess with having to open all of those cases, I am sure its way cheaper to do that.

But people would rather gamble and spend more on the chance that they come out ahead, even if the chance (or odds) are not in their favor.

Its like buying a box of lotto tickets and getting upset or disappointed that you came out on the losing end of the odds. Keep in mind odds are averages not guarantee's

(ok sorry if this sounds like a rant or I am singling you out hammer, I am not, just hear things like this so much.)

*to sum things up, if you dont want to gamble, put a set together off that auction site or from a friendly dealer who sells sets rather than cases. Or do a combo of both. Buy a case and trade or buy to finish the set.

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Originally posted by Steve Wain:
Apologies if mentioned before but a few new confirmed signers are now on the website.

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Originally posted by MrBlueofnyc:

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Originally posted by hammer:
Problem is with 20 Auto's and 20 Costume at 1 each per box even with PERFECT collation you will only have 24/40 (60%) of the main chase cards in the set, some of the breakdowns have ended up with dupes making 18/40 (45%) which is very poor. At $700 per case that makes a set VERY expensive and could start putting people off their product. 1 case should be getting (IMO) at least 75-80% of a set and 2 cases should be getting you a Master set.

Would someone tell that to topps? Maybe they should just sell master sets, dont even bother boxing the cards. Thought the whole point of packs and boxes and cases was to gamble on the chance of hit multiples of the larger valued cards. Like Gambling. I see just as many breaks with people who got extra hits in their boxes or cases than those who were missing a hit. Those are the chances you take (or gamble) when you buy boxes or cases. Other wise why not just buy the cards off that auction site and not mess with having to open all of those cases, I am sure its way cheaper to do that.

But people would rather gamble and spend more on the chance that they come out ahead, even if the chance (or odds) are not in their favor.

Its like buying a box of lotto tickets and getting upset or disappointed that you came out on the losing end of the odds. Keep in mind odds are averages not guarantee's

(ok sorry if this sounds like a rant or I am singling you out hammer, I am not, just hear things like this so much.)

*to sum things up, if you dont want to gamble, put a set together off that auction site or from a friendly dealer who sells sets rather than cases. Or do a combo of both. Buy a case and trade or buy to finish the set.

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Originally posted by MrBlueofnyc:
Hammer & Chuck

I agree the collation could have been much better, All i meant to say is thats its all a gamble. Did not mean to offend in any way. That being said, I don't think they did it intentionally. BTW Hammer, Trading cards can be a lot like scratch off tickets. I have always thought the box, pack and case formate is a lot like gambling. Like I said, didn't mean to offend anyone. Just giving my thoughts is all

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Originally posted by MrBlueofnyc:

But people would rather gamble and spend more on the chance that they come out ahead, even if the chance (or odds) are not in their favor.

*to sum things up, if you dont want to gamble, put a set together off that auction site or from a friendly dealer who sells sets rather than cases. Or do a combo of both. Buy a case and trade or buy to finish the set.

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Originally posted by hammer:
Not offended, just have a different opinion. buying a single box/pack IS a gamble. Buying a case should guarentee the odds stated and should have a decent spread/collation. RA, Breygent seem to get it OK just as inkworks did, Topps are poor (and I wouldn't buy a case of their product) and Cryptozoic are struggling at the moment with collation. We all buy for different reasons - if it is a set I REALLY want I will buy a case in the hope of getting 75-100% of the set and buy the rest elsewhere and I personally don't expect a case to be as big a gamble as a box. That's my view - certainly though Dealers/individuals buying 3 cases of a any normal Non-sport product should expect a master set.

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Originally posted by Scifi Cards:

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Originally posted by hammer:
Not offended, just have a different opinion. buying a single box/pack IS a gamble. Buying a case should guarentee the odds stated and should have a decent spread/collation. RA, Breygent seem to get it OK just as inkworks did, Topps are poor (and I wouldn't buy a case of their product) and Cryptozoic are struggling at the moment with collation. We all buy for different reasons - if it is a set I REALLY want I will buy a case in the hope of getting 75-100% of the set and buy the rest elsewhere and I personally don't expect a case to be as big a gamble as a box. That's my view - certainly though Dealers/individuals buying 3 cases of a any normal Non-sport product should expect a master set.

Unfortunately, I think Rittenhouse is guilty of too many cases for a set too. Look at a set like the upcoming ST:TNG: 7 Extremely Limited (under 200) and 5 Very Limited (200-300) means it may well take 3 or 4 cases to get the right number of EL's and you know you won't get by without some duplication in those.

I believe for the last Bond set it was said the chance of pulling one of the two EL's was 1 in 6 cases.

Ed