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James Bond 007 Classics

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April 09, 2016, 02:43 PM
X
James Bond 007 Classics
Thank you for the heads-up robomole, glad to see the auto checklist at last. If you actually want most of the set it may be a lot more economical to buy the Archive Box and sell off the odd bits. Would sure be a fun experience.

It does seem a bit small compared to RA's usual onslaught in each Bond set. Maybe a response to people's criticisms there is too much to chase down every year? To balance out against the tougher than usual chase cards? Running out of signers? (doubt it - there are always duplicates). Who knows...
I'm glad to have something of a breather and I'm really happy to finally have a Licence To Kill set.

I only want 7 of the autos on the list, all full-bleed:
Pierce Brosnan, Mathieu Amalric, Jeffrey Wright, Bruce Glover, Samantha Bond, Jesper Christensen and David Harbour.

My thoughts:
- As has been the case for a while the 40th run is the specialists only. Only 2 big names in Moore and Wright but great that 11 of the 12 names are all new.
- Glad to see Claude-Oliver Rudolph, I will want him in a full-bleed whenever that happens.
- The full-bleed list is solid:
> mostly nice big names/characters, and some fan pleasers like Oona Chaplin.
> So glad we have Jesper Christensen at long last.
> Surprised David Harbour is an EL given his 40th was a common.
April 09, 2016, 05:37 PM
007bondcards
quote:
Originally posted by robomole:
Autographs have been added to the checklist!

http://scifihobby.com/products...cklist.cfm?SetID=327

33 autograph cards seems low for a Bond set. Maybe the list is incomplete. As it stands though I've never seriously considered buying an Archive Box before. But there are just so many autograph cards I want from this set, as well as all the relics. Depending on how much one would cost, it may be cheaper to buy an Archive Box and then sell the cards I don't need.


Well i will take the 40th autos from you
April 09, 2016, 10:04 PM
robomole
quote:
Originally posted by 007bondcards:
quote:
Originally posted by robomole:
Autographs have been added to the checklist!

http://scifihobby.com/products...cklist.cfm?SetID=327

33 autograph cards seems low for a Bond set. Maybe the list is incomplete. As it stands though I've never seriously considered buying an Archive Box before. But there are just so many autograph cards I want from this set, as well as all the relics. Depending on how much one would cost, it may be cheaper to buy an Archive Box and then sell the cards I don't need.


Well i will take the 40th autos from you


I think I'm gonna be buying the cards individually. The price quotes I'm getting for an Archive Box is quite high. I think the rare chase inserts have something to do with it. With only 33 autos I expected a lower quote for an Archive Box, but it seems the same or higher even. I'll keep my eyes open though.
April 10, 2016, 02:49 PM
WOMBLE
quote:
Originally posted by robomole:
....I think I'm gonna be buying the cards individually.....

I think the 'Daniela Bianchi autograph card' may well turn out to be the most expensive card in the set.
April 10, 2016, 11:50 PM
007bondcards
quote:
Originally posted by WOMBLE:
quote:
Originally posted by robomole:
....I think I'm gonna be buying the cards individually.....

I think the 'Daniela Bianchi autograph card' may well turn out to be the most expensive card in the set.


I will take the gold auto of Craig as most expensive followed by Honor Blackman achive exclusive as second followed closely by Pierce Brosnan as my guesses in the horse race lol
April 11, 2016, 02:01 PM
David R
I think the 2015 set had 49 autos, if you count the case incentives

Is this the first set with an Archive Box exclusive auto ?
April 11, 2016, 03:39 PM
Raven
quote:
Originally posted by David R:
Is this the first set with an Archive Box exclusive auto ?


Yes, first Bond set as far as I know. I think the first time I paid attention to archive box exclusives was when I saw them in Agents of Shield.

I guess it will now become a standard category in new product. It's always something. Big Grin
April 11, 2016, 03:47 PM
X
Helpfully it's not on the checklist(!) but this is the second Archive Box Exclusive Bond auto. The first was the 'gold signature series' George Lazenby in Archives 2015.
April 11, 2016, 03:55 PM
WOMBLE
There was an archive box exclusive in 2009 of John Rhys-Davies.
https://scifihobby.com/products/jamesbond/archives
April 11, 2016, 04:02 PM
David R
I don't see the Rhys-Davies one listed on RA's checklist for the 2009 set. Why do I not see it?

I don't see the Lazenby gold listed, either
April 11, 2016, 04:05 PM
Raven
I have those cards listed as high incentives, not archive box exclusives.

Lazenby is not listed as gold in mine either.

Most of my list was donated by X. So which is it, incentive or archive box?
April 11, 2016, 04:18 PM
WOMBLE
quote:
Originally posted by David R:
I don't see the Rhys-Davies one listed on RA's checklist for the 2009 set. Why do I not see it?
3rd Tier Multi-Case Incentive Card: (1 for every 15 cases ordered): Archive Box including all pack-inserted autograph cards and costume cards, plus exclusive Full Bleed Autograph Card signed by John Rhys-Davies

quote:
Originally posted by David R:
I don't see the Lazenby gold listed, either

18-Case Incentive: James Bond Archives - 2015 Edition - Archive Box, including an exclusive George Lazenby (James Bond/On Her Majesty's Secret Service) Gold Signature Series Autograph Card
April 11, 2016, 04:41 PM
X
Cheers Womble Thumb Up I was remembering that Davies card as an incentive card.
From the wording on RA's page it's not entirely clear whether the card was literally in the box or not. But that's splitting hairs I suppose. I think we could legitimately call it an Incentive or Archive Box Exclusive.

Raven, the Lazenby gold is deffo Archive Box only.
David R - neither that Lazenby card or the John Rhys-Davies mentioned are on the RA site checklists. Who knows why.
April 12, 2016, 03:39 AM
007bondcards
quote:
Originally posted by X:
Cheers Womble Thumb Up I was remembering that Davies card as an incentive card.
From the wording on RA's page it's not entirely clear whether the card was literally in the box or not. But that's splitting hairs I suppose. I think we could legitimately call it an Incentive or Archive Box Exclusive.

Raven, the Lazenby gold is deffo Archive Box only.
David R - neither that Lazenby card or the John Rhys-Davies mentioned are on the RA site checklists. Who knows why.


The Rhys-Davies was in the bottom of the archive box in a sealed top loader
April 12, 2016, 08:35 AM
WOMBLE
quote:
Originally posted by 007bondcards:
quote:
Originally posted by WOMBLE:
quote:
Originally posted by robomole:
....I think I'm gonna be buying the cards individually.....

I think the 'Daniela Bianchi autograph card' may well turn out to be the most expensive card in the set.


I will take the gold auto of Craig as most expensive followed by Honor Blackman achive exclusive as second followed closely by Pierce Brosnan as my guesses in the horse race lol


I was thinking you would expect Criag/Brosnan cards to be very expensive, but there are already many (relatively) out there in the hands of collectors, which tends to lower the price (see price of Roger Moore cards).
Daniela Bianchi is one of the key Bond Girls who has not previously signed, so I think if you were buying the cards individually, you should keep a look-out for this card as a priority as it may be initially under-priced on that auction site. Wink
April 12, 2016, 10:57 AM
David R
How many Rhys Davies autos are there, and which is the 2009 one ?

I see on that auction site right now 3 different ones, 2 of which seem to be very common.

One says it is from the Relics set, one from Bond 50th, and then the harder to find A80. Is there a fourth one by him ?
April 12, 2016, 12:20 PM
Raven
There are 4.

A80 is in the 40th style and is VL.

There are 2 full bleeds, a VL from 50th Anniversary, Series 2, and an EL from Autographs & Relics.

The final one in the archive box from Bond Archives 2009 is the rarest, estimated around only 34 copies.

The problem I have always had with the Bond autograph cards as a non-expert is that, unless its a 40th style A# or WA# card, it is very difficult to place when and in what set they were released.

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April 12, 2016, 12:40 PM
David R
I know I have the Archive one, but does anyone have a scan handy to refresh my memory as to what it looks like ?
April 12, 2016, 12:46 PM
David R
Raven, I share your concerns

One day, decades from now, my kids (who have no interest in cards) will look at my complete collection of Bond master sets, every auto, every relic, and sell it for pennies on the dollar as they have no idea of its value

Even now when I show my family members the Roger Moore, Brosnan, Craig, Teri Hatcher, Halle Berry autos, their response is, "Those are not real ! Where is the proof that they signed them ???"
April 12, 2016, 01:23 PM
Raven
quote:
Originally posted by David R:
Even now when I show my family members the Roger Moore, Brosnan, Craig, Teri Hatcher, Halle Berry autos, their response is, "Those are not real ! Where is the proof that they signed them ???"


Oh I would have a major argument with them over that one. Mad

I am not concerned about the Bond autograph cards, they are absolutely authentic. I meant that I have trouble placing the set because there are no numbers and the copy date can't be relied on. They are released out of order.

The proof is that they are certified autograph cards made by a licensed card manufacturer, who contracted and paid the signers and would be sued by everybody if they weren't authentic. Big Grin

Yes, people will always question in-person or by-mail autographs. Even when the signatures compare very well to samples, someone will always say "if it wasn't signed in front of you, you never know".

If you say "it was signed in front of me", they still have to believe you. A very few certified cards have come up dodgy, people use that as an excuse to doubt those cards. I myself have seen slabbed and graded cards with fake signatures. Condition grading is no guarantee unless it was sent in for autograph authentication and you have a reputable company doing it.

If people don't want to believe they can find reasonable doubt in every autograph, no matter want kind of support you have and even when they are company certified. The opposite can also be true. Wishful thinkers want to believe so badly in their signatures that they will buy obvious fakes and fight with you when you try to tell them the truth.

Autograph collecting is like everything else, either you are into it or you're not. My family does not care about my collection either, but they know better than to say they are not real. Wink