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Originally posted by Raven:

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Originally posted by Ted Dastick Jr.:
I know Bloom is a redemption.

That's bad. Bloom would be one of your more desirable signers. Let me caution everyone if you don't know this already. Do not buy any redemption card individually from anyone prior to knowing that the actual autograph card is being sent out. If you miss the card, you miss it. Better than getting stuck waiting and . . .

You wind up spending a good deal of money on Bloom, only to find the card not issued and be offered a redemption replacement that you don't want. Even if you are offered a cheaper redemption, if its prior to distributing, you are taking the risk if it doesn't get released.

I would say Bloom is THE top signer in the set. Cryptozoic has had very few redemptions over the years, mostly for oversized stuff that won't fit into packs, but I feel like they have a good track record with fulfilling them, even well after any stated expiration dates.

Stated expiration date seems to be the middle of 2024, so plenty of time.

Also, I feel very confident in saying the signatures on the Bloom cards will be cr*p. For what they'll cost, everyone would be much better off finding a Topps card. There are still plenty around, for what's likely to be the same-ish money, and they'll be MUCH better autographs, I'm sure of it.

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Originally posted by Ted Dastick Jr.:
I would say Bloom is THE top signer in the set. Cryptozoic has had very few redemptions over the years, mostly for oversized stuff that won't fit into packs, but I feel like they have a good track record with fulfilling them, even well after any stated expiration dates.

I'm not saying they won't be fulfilled eventually, but you have to wait and hope if you have pulled one of his redemptions out of the box.

I'm saying if you want to buy the card, wait for the card to be released by Cypto. Know that the redemption is being fulfilled before you buy your way onto a list. Don't buy a redemption card from someone else and send it in yourself. Wait for that someone else to redeem the card themselves and then buy the signed card. It might cost more, but it takes the risk out of never getting the Bloom card.

BTW, its all his cards I think, the duals or triples included. So for as long as this set has taken to show up, the fact that Bloom didn't get packed out must mean that they have already waited a long time for him to return them.

I got stuck buying a redemption card once that couldn't be fulfilled for anything I wanted, and I was mad as hell because it was expensive. It's bad enough if you pull one, don't buy a redemption prior to knowing that the maker has it in hand. That's just my own advice.

And if it expires, it's dangerous to assume it will still be honored. That's unfortunately what happened with Inkworks.

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Originally posted by ravenheart:
Stated expiration date seems to be the middle of 2024, so plenty of time.

Also, I feel very confident in saying the signatures on the Bloom cards will be cr*p. For what they'll cost, everyone would be much better off finding a Topps card. There are still plenty around, for what's likely to be the same-ish money, and they'll be MUCH better autographs, I'm sure of it.

Exactly this! I bought one from the LOTR TTT set a few years back for only £50. It was during one of Bloom's (many!) low popularity points, but worked well for adding to my LOTR collection, without paying the usual high prices, which I would never have done for his card otherwise.

So it turns out there is also a generic autograph redemption card in this, numbered "R01", which doesn't specify who you get. It just says "one of the stars of The Lord of The Rings and/or The Hobbit Trilogies."

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Originally posted by ravenheart:
So it turns out there is also a generic autograph redemption card in this, numbered "R01", which doesn't specify who you get. It just says "one of the stars of The Lord of The Rings and/or The Hobbit Trilogies."

What? Well, that's a new one on me. Why not just put in blank slips for autograph cards TBD later?

This is probably the most expensive boxes Crypto has released so far. They can't say what will be in it when it's already on the street? No, that's unacceptable. Tell me I'm wrong.

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Originally posted by Raven:
What? Well, that's a new one on me. Why not just put in blank slips for autograph cards TBD later?

This is probably the most expensive boxes Crypto has released so far. They can't say what will be in it when it's already on the street? No, that's unacceptable. Tell me I'm wrong.

Yeah... My guess is it's so they can send you either Sarah McLeod or Bruce Hopkins, as those two clearly haven't returned yet either, and I've seen no specific redemption card for them. They probably don't understand/care that one of those is SIGNIFICANTLY more desirable than the other.



Even the Orlando Bloom one, you don't actually know which of his six different cards you're going to get; the redemption card is all-purpose. No doubt covering themselves in case he doesn't return all of them.

Well for those purists these two redemption cards have added at least another four to collect with possibly more depending on whether or not Cryptozoic return the card when redeemed. I will let you do the maths!

regards

John

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Originally posted by ravenheart:
Yeah... My guess is it's so they can send you either Sarah McLeod or Bruce Hopkins, as those two clearly haven't returned yet either, and I've seen no specific redemption card for them. They probably don't understand/care that one of those is SIGNIFICANTLY more desirable than the other.

Right, just this, but card makers certainly do understand aftermarket value. They just aren't legally bound to make you whole if that expensive card you pulled just never comes back to them.

As long as they provide a "like" replacement they can't be accused of not honoring whatever guarantee they formally made for the product. If a specific certified autograph card can't be obtained, they can replace with any "like" certified autograph in that same group.

Now to be fair, I do think a good card manufacturer tries to provide similar market value, because they really don't want bad word of mouth. Sometimes they can't, or sometimes the customer just wants the item and even equal value falls short. If you are replaced with something you already have or don't want, there is nothing you can do about it.

Grouping Bloom, McLeod and Hopkins together, if that's what they did, is a very unequal choice of signers.

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Originally posted by Raven:
Grouping Bloom, McLeod and Hopkins together, if that's what they did, is a very unequal choice of signers.

I don't think Bloom is grouped with those two. His redemption card is specific to him. It just doesn't tell you which of OB-L1 to OB-L6 you're getting (which I suspect is another reason why they've left the rarity numberings off the checklist, as well as potentially not knowing how many intact cards they're going to get back).

That's from a post on Blowout. Says RO1 could be any of the three, but of course that could also be wrong info. Since the card isn't specific, technically it could be redeemed by any of the signed cards.

R-01 redeemed for Orlando Bloom, Sarah McLeod, or Bruce Hopkins Autograph Card - From the Checklist on Cryptozoic web-site

Full List from Site
REDEMPTION CARDS
R-OB redeemed for Orlando Bloom Single Autograph Card or Orlando Bloom Autograph-Sketch Card
R-01 redeemed for Orlando Bloom, Sarah McLeod, or Bruce Hopkins Autograph Card
R-02 redeemed for random Dual Autograph Card that includes Orlando Bloom
R-03 redeemed for Triple Autograph Card (VOJ)
R-04 redeemed for Quadruple Autograph Card (VOJI

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Originally posted by hammer:
R-OB redeemed for Orlando Bloom Single Autograph Card or Orlando Bloom Autograph-Sketch Card
R-01 redeemed for Orlando Bloom, Sarah McLeod, or Bruce Hopkins Autograph Card

That's a really weird thing to do.

Looks like they added the redemption cards to the checklist at the same time they removed the original print run numbers from the redemption autographs. Must have been a last minute thing.

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Originally posted by Hedgehog Witch:
There's a nice dual of Viggo and Ian McKellen.
It's not showing on their website but in the email.

Not the best place to put this, but no point in a new thread.

Sir Ian McKellen has had a bad accident that only an 85-year-old actor can do. He is in a play and fell off the stage while in the middle of a fight scene today. He has been taken to a hospital.

The thing is someone should have been looking out for the man. If he can't figure out that he shouldn't be pretend dueling at his age, someone should have told him and stopped it. I'm kind of sensitive to these things because when falls have happened to elders in my family, they never really recovered.

Hopefully it's not as bad as it looked, because they said it looked bad. Those drops into the orchestra pit or front rows are generally several feet.

Reports are he is fine.