With the increased influx of fake auto cards,it makes me realise that all or most archive boxs are really good value?they have every card in a secure sealed box.and they sure offer peace of mind? in regards fake auto cards?sealed cases are also a big plus?

The numbers of confirmed counterfeit nonsports cards is only a tiny fraction of the number available. I honestly think people are starting to jump at shadows now.

Archive boxes are only a good buy if you are into RH because they are the only ones who produce these boxes. I think the reality is that 90% of Non Sport collectors probably have no idea about fake cards, and continue to buy cards as finances allow.

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I totally agree the archive boxs they good vaule when you think about it when all the fake card out there, im one of those unlucky collecter end up buying fake auto card

Jason there are achive box from other company goes them are artbox from harry potter called hot box that they started to do them but they didnt do it for DHP1 set for some reason, and breygent does them aswell they call it loaded master set box

i think other trading cards company should do this

Archive boxes are terrific if you are lucky enough to find one by accident, but buying one from any desirable product is not an option for the average collector. I would certainly not regard it as a security measure.

Fake autograph cards exist and no one wants to go through the aggravation of finding out they got stuck with one and spent their good money on worthless garbage. However Sci-FiPlanet is not wrong in saying that instances of counterfeit cards are very rare compared to all the genuine cards bought and sold all the time. They are also pretty much confined to the higher priced cards that we all know and love. No one fakes a common.

The safest way to avoid forged autographs and counterfeit cards is to know what's going on in the hobby and only buy from reputable dealers that can be verified. If there is any doubt pass on the item, you will be better off in the long run.

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They are also pretty much confined to the higher priced cards that we all know and love. No one fakes a common.

This is changing. The cards that Ra$ bought included a set of Superman Returns autographs -- including the common autographs. And Miss Lizzy just sent me an obviously fake Brian Krause autograph from Charmed.

As you pointed out -- the best bet is to buy from a trusted source.

Jon

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The numbers of confirmed counterfeit nonsports cards is only a tiny fraction of the number available. I honestly think people are starting to jump at shadows now.

That's a great point, yes, there are fakes, but the vast majority are authentic, there should not be widespread panic. As has been suggested, just use common sense, and if you are unsure, hold off until you are satisfied as to authenticity.

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Originally posted by Raven:

They are also pretty much confined to the higher priced cards that we all know and love. No one fakes a common.

This is changing. The cards that Ra$ bought included a set of Superman Returns autographs -- including the common autographs. And Miss Lizzy just sent me an obviously fake Brian Krause autograph from Charmed.

As you pointed out -- the best bet is to buy from a trusted source.

Jon

I think there usually are other factors involved when "common cards" and "common autographs" come up bad.

Consider that perhaps at one time they were not commons, but have devalued in recent years.

Or in the case of the Superman Returns cards you mentioned, all 6 cards were sold as a set, but only 2 are very valuable. The commons are support for the idea that the set is complete and it re-enforces the trust in the authenticity of the whole group.

Or there may be the possibility that it is the work of amateurs rather than professionals. How many kids signed their baseball cards with the players names with no attempt to duplicate the real signatures. You know some of those cards actually made it out into the market.

There are no guarantees on anything in this life except death and taxes, but by in large I believe that low to medium priced items still present very little risk. And that's doubly true when its a certified product coming from a reputable source.

Hey, everyone. I have several higher-end non-sport autograph cards in my collection but several are from autograph sets that weren't put on stickers. From the 2000 X-Men autographs to the 2005 Batman Begins autographs (all of which are on-card), I worry about whether these are the real deal or not (the autographs themselves look a bit too glossy but I have no idea). Here are some pics. Anyone have a guess on if these are real or not? Thanks!

2000 Topps X-Men autograph: Hugh Jackman as Wolverine


2008 Rittenhouse The Incredible Hulk autograph: Edward Norton as Bruce Banner


2005 Topps Batman Begins autograph: Cillian Murphy as Scarecrow


2000 Topps X-Men autograph: Ian McKellen as Magneto

Off the bat, looking at the Hugh Jackman, I noticed dots of ink at the end of the stroke, possibly a sign that someone carefully copied the signature.

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Off the bat, looking at the Hugh Jackman, I noticed dots of ink at the end of the stroke, possibly a sign that someone carefully copied the signature.

but those seem to me 'normal' dots vs what an autopen can do .All auto have thickness variations and shades within
all those seem legit from my point of view

I also have that Hugh Jackman auto, bought from a VERY reliable source, and it also has the heavier ink dots as in the card shown.

I also have the Ian McKellen auto and I'd say comparing the two they are both legitimate.

My Cillian Murphy has the same white speckles in the letters, so I'd say that one is also legit.

Unfortunately I own none of those really nice autograph cards, but they compare well with scans of others I've seen, for what that is worth. Normal signings can produce dots in the autograph as well, so although dots are often mentioned as a possible indicator of a fake, it is by no means a given.

Always more important is the source of the autograph. You don't say if they were all bought from the same person or even why you are worried about them, besides their higher values of course. If you purchased from reputable sources I would say you are more likely to have no problems here.

The dots were the only thing I could see in the scans that were suspect. Fan Fic Fan may want to compare his autos to pack pulled autos from this set, and compare the finish of the card.

Also, look at details in the background, I know Web Jon had found a Batman auto with those black bats on the bottom of the card which were poorly reproduced.

Don't mean to alarm you Fan Fic Fan, most likely these cards are good, but you did ask...

none of these are autopens

Apologies for digging this thread up but didn't think it necessary to start a new topic for my question.

I know there have been fake Spuerman Returns autograph cards around with black ink sigs instead of blue. Are any legit cards signed in black? The only one Kevin Spacey SR auto on 'that site' right now has a black sig - is it a fake? No way I could afford that kinda money anyway, just curious as to whether black ink automatically = bad

I don't know if that question about black ink Superman Returns autographs was ever really resolved. It came up on Webjon about 2 years ago and then it seems to have died, possibly because the Routh and Spacey sigs are so rare that few people have ever seen them in person. I know I haven't seen one, just pictures.

I suspect that an ink color alone is not definitive to detect a forgery. I say that because it would be pretty stupid to go to the trouble of creating a fake and then use the wrong ink color. That would be the easiest thing to get right. They are all signed in blue ink, so let's fake them in black ink doesn't make much sense to me.

Both these cards were big targets because of their initial prices, the Routh has dropped off a bit now that he has gone nowhere. Never the less, I would be really careful about buying either one of them in any color ink and getting them graded specifically for the authentication of the autograph wouldn't be a bad idea.

^ Thanks Raven, appreciate your input