Non-Sport Update's Card Talk
UK Dealers
February 04, 2011, 05:23 AM
Sci-FiPlanetUK Dealers
Try this on for size:
We print our cards in the UK and so we have to pay the now 20% "Value Added Tax" which is garbage to start with. Then we ship the blank sketch cards around the world to artists (as you do). Remember I have already paid the tax on these when they were printed... so the artists finish the cards and ship them back to me..... But wait... HM Customs stop the cards and adds another lot of tax on them for fun and profit. I'm being charged VAT on cards printed in the UK which I have already paid VAT on! Oh then you add the £8 "administration fee" to every package stopped, (this is on top of the of the 20%). Thats the price of doing business in the UK now.
February 04, 2011, 08:11 AM
JOHN LEVITTquote:
Originally posted by Triple-Frog:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JOHN LEVITT:
For UK Cardtalkers more information on Customs and Excise charges can be found by simply googling "Customs and Excise charges" and following the links. It appears that it is no different than for goods you bring in yourself when returning from overseas.
I can only speak from my own experience of visiting the USA but there is a big difference in the value of goods you can bring in.Each adult is allowed up to £390 in goods when coming back via plane from outside the EU.It's why I always order loads of cards to be delivered to my hotel when I go to Las Vegas.I save more in taxes than the cost of the flight.
triplefrog
Having never been to the USA I was not aware of the value of the goods allowed to be imported, I was merely going by the Government website which clearly does not reveal all that applies. I thank you for additional information.
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February 04, 2011, 08:37 AM
wolfieOk now i'm confused. Are we saying that if you go out of the country you can personally bring back in £390 worth of stuff and pay nothing in import taxes but if you stay here and have that amount of stuff sent to you through the post then you will pay loads of tax and import duty.
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February 04, 2011, 09:07 AM
steve jOn the positive side - we don't have to pay import tax / duty on trading cards. Wolfie - please try and keep up.
February 04, 2011, 09:15 AM
wolfiewell that can't be right because everyone is complaining they do.
or am i missing it all again.
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February 04, 2011, 11:29 AM
Kevin Fquote:
Originally posted by wolfie:
Ok now i'm confused. Are we saying that if you go out of the country you can personally bring back in £390 worth of stuff and pay nothing in import taxes but if you stay here and have that amount of stuff sent to you through the post then you will pay loads of tax and import duty.
Certainly no Import Duty on trading cards but we do pay VAT and a handling charge
One really annoying aspect of this is that the postage charge also incurs VAT
P.S. I hope everyone in the UK has noticed that from Feb 1st we now have to pay 20% on postage for items sent to the EU ! Those bureaucrats in Brussels have a lot to answer for
February 04, 2011, 01:51 PM
wolfieMaybe i'm confusing things here with the wrong words.
Are we saying, go out of the country and bring the cards back in yourself and there is nothing to pay if below £390.
Stay in the country and have the cards posted to you, lots of money to pay.
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February 04, 2011, 04:49 PM
Triple-Frogquote:
Originally posted by wolfie:
Maybe i'm confusing things here with the wrong words.
Are we saying, go out of the country and bring the cards back in yourself and there is nothing to pay if below £390.
Stay in the country and have the cards posted to you, lots of money to pay.
Thats correct!Crazy world isn't it
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My brother just got back from Las Vegas and I bought some boxes of Donruss Americana 2009 as well as some sports cards from an American dealer I regularly use and had them sent to his hotel.
I saved $45 on shipping as it's free within the USA and about £80 in VAT and handling charges.
February 04, 2011, 05:00 PM
wolfieThank you, i understand now.
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February 04, 2011, 06:00 PM
cheifbrodyseems a bit extreme,going to las vegas to save on shipping charges
February 05, 2011, 04:44 AM
Triple-Frogquote:
Originally posted by cheifbrody:
seems a bit extreme,going to las vegas to save on shipping charges
Beleive me we don't go just for the cards
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February 05, 2011, 07:22 AM
Xquote:
Originally posted by Sci-FiPlanet:
Try this on for size:
We print our cards in the UK and so we have to pay the now 20% "Value Added Tax" which is garbage to start with. Then we ship the blank sketch cards around the world to artists (as you do). Remember I have already paid the tax on these when they were printed... so the artists finish the cards and ship them back to me..... But wait... HM Customs stop the cards and adds another lot of tax on them for fun and profit. I'm being charged VAT on cards printed in the UK which I have already paid VAT on! Oh then you add the £8 "administration fee" to every package stopped, (this is on top of the of the 20%). Thats the price of doing business in the UK now.
And some people wonder why some buyers are keen to have sellers falsify customs forms. Basically becuase Royal Mail will try and squeeze you at every opportunity. Besides, they probably more than make up their money for the 'incorrect' forms.
February 05, 2011, 08:54 AM
Kevin Fquote:
Originally posted by X:
And some people wonder why some buyers are keen to have sellers falsify customs forms. Basically becuase Royal Mail will try and squeeze you at every opportunity. Besides, they probably more than make up their money for the 'incorrect' forms.
In all fairness to the Royal Mail, at least with them you have a chance of not paying any VAT and handling charges on goods coming in to the UK. If your package is being carried/handled by any of the other large courier companies, e.g. FedEx and UPS, then you will be guaranteed to be hit with a VAT and handling charge. Based on past personal experience with FedEx, there is even good chance that you wont find out about this until a couple of months later when the invoice drops through your door
To Sci-FiPlanet: have you contacted Customs and Excise about this situation ? There is, or at least used to be, a procedure for ensuring that you don;t pay twice under these circumstances. I had to send a resin model over to the States so it could be used to cast a bronze figure and was informed that provided the right procedure was followed (and forms filled out at both ends) I would not have to pay VAT again when the resin model was returned to me. Sorry, I cannot remember the details. The VAT I had to pay for the bronze figure is another matter
February 07, 2011, 01:17 PM
william291077Howdy,
To set the record straight regarding Royal Mail and Import Duty. Royal Mail do not apply the fees it is Customs & Excise who do this. Customs & Excise then pass the charged items onto Royal Mail to collect the fees and pay them nothing to do this regardless of whether the fee is collected or not. The £8 fee you pay on top of the raised VAT is how Royal Mail get paid.
TTFN
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February 10, 2011, 03:43 PM
richnetcustom fees will be in the the uk price.
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April 16, 2011, 05:46 PM
DrathroI am also looking for dealers in the UK who can provide boxes/cases of current product, some nice looking stuff on the horizon.
May 02, 2011, 07:05 PM
TC00Anyone know how to purchase sealed cases of products without having to resort to Ebay and unimaginable import/+VAT cost?!
-TC00.
May 03, 2011, 03:04 AM
treksearcherquote:
Originally posted by TC00:
Anyone know how to purchase sealed cases of products without having to resort to Ebay and unimaginable import/+VAT cost?!
-TC00.
email sent.
May 03, 2011, 07:31 AM
DeathStormquote:
Originally posted by Sci-FiPlanet:
Try this on for size:
We print our cards in the UK and so we have to pay the now 20% "Value Added Tax" which is garbage to start with. Then we ship the blank sketch cards around the world to artists (as you do). Remember I have already paid the tax on these when they were printed... so the artists finish the cards and ship them back to me..... But wait... HM Customs stop the cards and adds another lot of tax on them for fun and profit. I'm being charged VAT on cards printed in the UK which I have already paid VAT on! Oh then you add the £8 "administration fee" to every package stopped, (this is on top of the of the 20%). Thats the price of doing business in the UK now.
The £8 service charge Parcelforce sticks on everything is a joke but why can't you reclaim the VAT?
May 03, 2011, 07:33 AM
DeathStormquote:
Originally posted by Kevin F:
quote:
Originally posted by X:
And some people wonder why some buyers are keen to have sellers falsify customs forms. Basically becuase Royal Mail will try and squeeze you at every opportunity. Besides, they probably more than make up their money for the 'incorrect' forms.
In all fairness to the Royal Mail, at least with them you have a chance of not paying any VAT and handling charges on goods coming in to the UK. If your package is being carried/handled by any of the other large courier companies, e.g. FedEx and UPS, then you will be guaranteed to be hit with a VAT and handling charge. Based on past personal experience with FedEx, there is even good chance that you wont find out about this until a couple of months later when the invoice drops through your door
To Sci-FiPlanet: have you contacted Customs and Excise about this situation ? There is, or at least used to be, a procedure for ensuring that you don;t pay twice under these circumstances. I had to send a resin model over to the States so it could be used to cast a bronze figure and was informed that provided the right procedure was followed (and forms filled out at both ends) I would not have to pay VAT again when the resin model was returned to me. Sorry, I cannot remember the details. The VAT I had to pay for the bronze figure is another matter
In fairness to them they can get stuffed, if you're just over the limit you end up paying over 50% more because of their service charge. At least with UPS/DHL/Fedex/whoever when you pay that extra it's because your parcel gets pushed through customs instantly, while with Parcelforce/RM you get to pay extra while they delay the package in customs clearance.