Hello All,
I just came across this forum because I found, in my sports card collection, exactly what everyone was talking about on here regarding these RARE cards...Slayer Eagle / Souls Of Black / Cross...I have all of these, and I have uncut sheets (5 in a row, actually there 10 per sheet but 5 Slayer Eagle are on the top row and Ball and Chain 5 uncut cards are on the bottom)
The other uncut sheets I have from the 90's is the same "10" card uncut sheet and the top 5 are Souls Of Black and bottom 5 are the Cross Cards.

Just think, someone can get these professionally cut and perfectly center them, not to mention that all four corners will be perfect as well

I know you all finished a great conversation over 2 years about this...but can anyone help me find more information on these RARE RockCards.
Is there a collector that would be interested in this or do you think this is something I should just hang onto...and keep in the family.

Thank you,
Andy

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Originally posted by catskilleagle:
Hey Cecil,

If you look out over "the bay," you'll see a reasonably-priced Ry Cooder card floating out there.

Good luck,

Jess

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Originally posted by Cecil:
I got caught up in playing music, keeping the wife happy, now I’m shopping for a new guitar. The only set I’m working on still is the 1979 Warner Bros. Music promo cards which I’m down to one card happily- the Ry Cooper card!

I hope everyone stays safe and healthy! Maybe we can meet up in May in Chicago!

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Originally posted by Raven:
Cecil, where have you been since April 5th 2018? Better late than never.

Happy you got a nice price on that one.

Hello Jess,
I just passed this info on to Cecil as well, but can you share any information on the below message.
Hello All,
I just came across this forum because I found, in my sports card collection, exactly what everyone was talking about on here regarding these RARE cards...Slayer Eagle / Souls Of Black / Cross...I have all of these, and I have uncut sheets (5 in a row, actually there 10 per sheet but 5 Slayer Eagle are on the top row and Ball and Chain 5 uncut cards are on the bottom)
The other uncut sheets I have from the 90's is the same "10" card uncut sheet and the top 5 are Souls Of Black and bottom 5 are the Cross Cards.

Just think, someone can get these professionally cut and perfectly center them, not to mention that all four corners will be perfect as well

I know you all finished a great conversation over 2 years about this...but can anyone help me find more information on these RARE RockCards.
Is there a collector that would be interested in this or do you think this is something I should just hang onto...and keep in the family.

Thank you,
Andy

What other information are you looking for? You might want to hang onto those unless you have more than one of each sheet.

Yes, you would have to consider cutting up a sheet with the Slayer Eagles on it, but that leaves you open to a miscut or some other damage. Where would you go to get it professionally cut? If you know a place locally or you yourself have done it before, maybe you're not worried about that.

How's Cecil doing? He hasn't been around in a while. He's told us before that gets into other things.

Hello,
I'm just looking for insight on these cards to make sure "what" the true value of them. I know that they were withdrawn "during" production and are quite rare. The Slayer Printed Checklist shows these cards on there, but apparently were never distributed normally.
Rare - Withdrawn / Recalled in early production run and difficult to find. So almost everyone out there doesn't have a full set of the 1991 BROCKUM ROCKCARDS because most don't have these inserts.
How many were "actually" printed BEFORE they were "withdrawn"...I'm assuming not many?
I actually have 30 of the Slayer Eagles with 25 in Very Good condition.
I would pay a manufacturer to "cut" these for me...one that actually does sports cards...so the cut is perfect. If done right, it will be centered both ways and cut correctly...but most important, all 4 corners will be perfect as well...meaning a very high PSA#

I actually don't know Cecil, I just know him from this forum and what you guys had spoken about these great cards over 2 years ago.

Your thoughts...

I don't think it's likely that anyone knows the true value. I was surprised to just search Terapeak and see one of these sold a few weeks ago for $34.75 eBay item: 235627808101.

Folks on this particular forum are probably less interested in PSA grades than you'll find on other forums.

I personally think you may be better off trying to sell uncut sheets. If it were me I'd at least try the uncut sheet route before attempting to do anything else with them -- and that's mainly because I personally have no idea if there are 25-30 buyers out there looking to spend top dollar on these.

The market has changed a lot in the last handful of years, trying to put a value on any cards that don't change hands regularly is extremely difficult.

Thank you for your advice webjon
Do you how one would find out how many were actually printed, prior to removing them from production and then recalling them prior to the end of production...and this is where it wasn't managed properly. Hence, I collected these uncut sheets buying and trading over 30 years ago.

I believe, due to the low number of production at that time, we don't have the "quantity" out there like we think there is...and with these "forgotten insert sticker cards" that not too many people have seen. PSA never graded even 1...all the other Brockum Rockcards were...but not the Cross and Slayer Eagle ones...its just very weird.
I'm missing some background and more critical information in how rare or valuable these really are.
Thank you
Andy

Outside of vintage and gaming cards non-sport card collector's generally have rejected grading. That is far more likely why few if any of these cards have been graded than anything else.

Grading preferences have shifted in the last few years among some collectors as a new wave of people entered the hobby. Some of these new people seem to care about grading, although based on selling prices it seems many of those new collectors have already exited the hobby.

As far as the quantities of these cards -- it seems like no one here knows or they would have said.

Interesting conversation to follow. I know nothing about these cards, so I wouldn't venture a guess at their value or potential demand. A couple of points struck me as worthy of general comment.

Yes, non-sport card collectors are less likely to be impressed with graded cards. They can do their own grading and won't pay premiums. However people who are in it only for the money and to sell do well with high graded cards of limited production, IF THERE IS DEMAND. Without demand a 1/1 graded card will go begging. If it's not a very expensive card in current demand, why bother to grade or try to sell?

And second, the idea that cutting up a sheet will produce riches is not necessarily true. At one time it was patently false. It is not the same thing as the manufactured card, and it artificially increases any stated production numbers on that card. If you sell it without disclosure and its discovered, that's a problem. If you do disclose it, people who might want the card may not be interested on principle.

Any increase in the number of a limited card seldom seen is subject to review, assuming anyone cares in the first place. Going by old standards, you don't cut up full sheets to sell as individual cards. But if that is a risk you wish to undertake, you certainly don't announce it.

Yeah, it's tough to get a solid, meaningful price range on things that are hardly ever for sale. On top of it, over thirty years have passed since the cards were made and released. Most of the people who wanted all the rarieties of that set have picked them up by now so the potential buyers are few and far between. The population willing to pay top dollar for anything is nearly extinct.

There's another thread here on the Rockcards promos that were released. You should check that out to read about the jump in value for those cards during the pandemic but then you will also learn about the drop in value in the past couple of years. A few of the singles jumped in value as well because they (Axl Rose, Aerosmith members) weren't in the regular set.

I'm afraid one of the still-unanswered questions with most sets is how many were printed? How many got out? You need to find someone in the company for that. There are collectors on this forum who have hunted for owners and employees of now-defunct companies to find out about print runs and possible availability of anything left. One time, a relative of a card company owner was located but he didn't have anything and he didn't know anything.

You might get lucky tracking down issues of any trading card magazine of the time. You can get bits of info in the news and feature articles that have gone virtually/completely forgotten across decades later. Every once in a while, one of us finds a bit of information at least interesting, if not valuable, to a few people.

Like Webjon, I think you could try selling one uncut sheet before you cut one up. Back in the 90's, people were more likely to cut up a sheet of oddities/rarities, but these days, more people want an item in original condition. A couple of months ago, I bought an uncut sheet of oddball promos (many of them undocumented). I haven't seriously considered cutting it up for the singles because it's one of only two I've ever even heard of. I have thought more about getting it framed.

Anyway, yeah, you could try pricing one of the sheets at a high price (whatever you'd like to get for it) and see if you get any interest. You need to word the title appropriately. You can always come down for a serious buyer who makes a reasonable offer if you want to. One thing to keep in mind is one of the members here tags every post with a line something like, "Not everything rare is valuable."

I don't want to be a downer, though. You do have something interesting, rare and apparently undocumented. It's the kind of thing a few of us are always on the lookout for. I wish you luck finding a buyer or a trader with something comparable.

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Originally posted by Andersen:
Hello,
I'm just looking for insight on these cards to make sure "what" the true value of them. I know that they were withdrawn "during" production and are quite rare. The Slayer Printed Checklist shows these cards on there, but apparently were never distributed normally.
Rare - Withdrawn / Recalled in early production run and difficult to find. So almost everyone out there doesn't have a full set of the 1991 BROCKUM ROCKCARDS because most don't have these inserts.
How many were "actually" printed BEFORE they were "withdrawn"...I'm assuming not many?
I actually have 30 of the Slayer Eagles with 25 in Very Good condition.
I would pay a manufacturer to "cut" these for me...one that actually does sports cards...so the cut is perfect. If done right, it will be centered both ways and cut correctly...but most important, all 4 corners will be perfect as well...meaning a very high PSA#

I actually don't know Cecil, I just know him from this forum and what you guys had spoken about these great cards over 2 years ago.

Your thoughts...