What is the thoughts of you all. I'll load photos if I can figure it out.

"Woo Hoo"?? I don't know what this is.

It's a redemption 3 card set from Tempo 1996 for The Simpsons. Never has been one that missed the hole punch part of the process. I believe that means a "Master set" can't be a thing without this set.

So this is one of those "in the weeds" subjects that can go either way, depending on your viewpoint. I also had no idea what cards you were referring to as I didn't pay much attention to the Simpsons' products. I don't know the rarity or value of these cards and have not tried to look them up.

My general comment would be that I'm not sure I would call 3 cards a set, especially if they came as a package offer. It's more like bonus cards or an extension to a set. But I have been told before that there can be a 1 card set, if there is only 1 card. I don't accept the premise, but I wouldn't argue about it.

If you think that the 3 cards and an unpunched redemption card make up a "master set" here, then that is your idea of the complete set.

However, accepting your definition that 4 cards is the complete set for "Woo Hoo", to have a "master set" you would still need a 5th card. Already having the very rare unpunched redemption card, you would under the old rules technically need a punched redemption card to have everything and be able to call it a master.

In the early days eg 85 Australian card producers made for sets a redemption randomally packed when redeemed you got your card, a certificate of authenticy.and the punched redemption card returned to you .
I have always considered this a set of three cards .I have a couple somewere A AFL or NFL one and I think a Rug Rats one I will try and find them and possibly give more info on them.
Normally there is as with most redemption cards a players or stars name wich you can redeem the card for
Later or now days Topps cards had a code number wich you digitally downloaded for the card to be sent to you.
I am sure that now they are a thing of the past as most cards are now packed out could be wrong .
High prices are now being asked for earlier especially Inkworks redemption cards I have advertised on the forum for them but no offers.
I actually got the Inkworks Veronica Mars 2 Tessa Thompson as Jackie Cook redemption card for $5 US last month I think that this card is very Rare as it is for a variant card so did not think twice and jumped on it surprisingly there was no other bidder .But shipping ruined the cheap price.

I knew what he was talking about but only because Chesspiece has mentioned it before and because I've looked over the checklist for the Simpsons Down Under to see what he was talking about.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by piko:
I am sure that now they are a thing of the past as most cards are now packed out could be wrong .
High prices are now being asked for earlier especially Inkworks redemption cards I have advertised on the forum for them but no offers./QUOTE]

Lots of things in the card hobby business make no sense and it doesn't much matter which era you picked. I never saw the value in the unredeemed and expired redemption card or the redeemed and cancelled redemption card. To me, they were just the winning ticket to the redeemed prize card. I didn't care if the vendor sent me that card back or not, as long as I got the card it substituted for. The people who seemed to care most were the master set builders, but they have thrown in the towel long ago, except perhaps for a few chasers of older titles.

What always made me laugh was when a redeemed or unredeemed redemption card was valued at more than the card or item it was meant to win. As you say, high prices are still being asked for many of them, but no offers come. Logically, without much demand, the pricing should be adjusted down.

As far as pack inserting redemption cards now, card collectors don't appreciate the redemption process. They never did, too much uncertainty. Card manufacturers try to avoid it too. They used to run into deadline problems and promised autograph cards that they didn't get completed before the product had to go out. They stopped that when too many of the important promised signers reneged on their jobs and redemption holders got mad after getting lesser replacements. After that redemptions were still needed for hits that were too oversized or too thick to fit in packs.

Most recently though, many of those larger or thicker hits, or ones in faux sealed holders, just get thrown into the bottom of the sealed box and don't need to be redeemed separately anymore either. After all, when was the last time anybody saw a new premium hobby box opened in a card store and being sold as individual packs? Those were the days.

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Sometimes, the redemption card is a nice one too. When you sent in the redemption card for the cool Admiral Ackbar 3D card from the Return of the Jedi Widevision set (Topps, 1995), the card you were sending in has cool artwork of Boba Fett on it. You liked that card too and people who didn't collect the set might want it also creating some demand. Years later, the redemption card became hard to find probably because a lot of them were redeemed early and some of those collectors might have wished they hung onto it instead because the 3D card could be found.

Yeah, elsewhere on this forum, someone sent in one or two redemptions but never heard fron the company.

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Originally posted by catskilleagle:
Yeah, elsewhere on this forum, someone sent in one or two redemptions but never heard fron the company.

I've heard several people complain of that, but the major card manufacturers mostly made good on redemptions, provided they didn't go out of business suddenly like Inkworks. They could make you wait though. I know for a fact that waited nearly 2 years to get a Kathryn Hunter autograph card redeemed from Artbox. It wasn't even a valuable card, but Artbox had trouble getting back a couple signers for their Harry Potter sets.

The real problems occurred when the manufacturer couldn't fulfill the redemptions because a signer didn't come through, or the cards got lost or destroyed or weren't enough for the orders. Then they substituted a card of the same checklist grouping, meaning any other autograph card in the set of similar value. But similar value, did not mean secondary market value by strict definition. So if the redemption was for a high value rookie that fell through, you could be sent a replacement with a much lesser value and not be able to complain.

This is why, back in the day when sellers were commonly offering redemption cards for sale, it was a gamble to take up even a bargain. Much better to wait to see the actual card was released and redeemed by someone else before trying to buy it.

I actually pulled a Woo-Hoo redemption card for the set when the company was still in business and it was still valid. I telephoned them and asked if I could send it in. They said sure, but use Registered mail. It cost less than $5 if I'm remembering correctly. The phone call probably cost more. I should've asked them which way the water in the toilets swirled when I had them on the phone.

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Originally posted by Billyd2:
It's a redemption 3 card set from Tempo 1996 for The Simpsons. Never has been one that missed the hole punch part of the process. I believe that means a "Master set" can't be a thing without this set.

There's an unnumbered sample set where the Woo-Hoo isn't punched, so that's one way to get one, but sure a numbered one that is unpunched and has the other two matching number cards with it would have to be very unusual.

I actually have a matched numbered set of the Woo-Hoo set, the Homer As set, and the binder card. All of them are #150. No Bartarang card as those were numbered to only #50. I do have the Sample version of the Bartarang card.
Ah, 30 years ago...

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Originally posted by Raven:
So this is one of those "in the weeds" subjects that can go either way, depending on your viewpoint. I also had no idea what cards you were referring to as I didn't pay much attention to the Simpsons' products. I don't know the rarity or value of these cards and have not tried to look them up.

My general comment would be that I'm not sure I would call 3 cards a set, especially if they came as a package offer. It's more like bonus cards or an extension to a set. But I have been told before that there can be a 1 card set, if there is only 1 card. I don't accept the premise, but I wouldn't argue about it.

If you think that the 3 cards and an unpunched redemption card make up a "master set" here, then that is your idea of the complete set.

However, accepting your definition that 4 cards is the complete set for "Woo Hoo", to have a "master set" you would still need a 5th card. Already having the very rare unpunched redemption card, you would under the old rules technically need a punched redemption card to have everything and be able to call it a master.

"Woo Hoo" is actually a 3 card set within the larger set. Every 12th box had a serial numbered "Woo Hoo" card with redemption details. You would mail that card in, they'd punch a hole in it and return it to you along with the actual Prize card "America's Favorite Nuclear Family" (which showed the Simpsons family in those boxes ala the Brady Bunch opening credits) and an Authentication card. All 3 cards had matching numbers.

By master set of Woo-Hoo, I guess you'd then need the unpunched Woo-Hoo, the punched Woo-Hoo, the prize and COA card, all 3 cards in the unnumbered "Sample" version, and the uncut sheet, so actually 10 cards in all. The real impediment to attaining a true master set of the entire product would be the Bartarang redemption card which was numbered to only /50. Apparently something like 12 were redeemed, so there should be 12 out there punched and 38 unpunched.

Thanks for your thoughts. Not sure why my name has a newbee designation other than Its been a long while since I've been on and the site had merged with the original site at some point. I'd place my signup around 2006.

I remember "GG" Guinness Guy, "Don't have a cow man"(Amazing card info website) and "IPASF" I Pay And Ship Fast.

Sorry about that drive down memory lane, back to cards. I don't believe cards that are cut from a sheet belong in a set. If they're not part of the official set checklist then they're not part of the set in my opinion.

In the collectibles and trading card hobby (like Pokémon, Magic: The Gathering, or sports cards), uncut sheets are a completely different category of collectible. Here is why they do not belong in the same set sequence as pulled cards. Production Stage: Uncut sheets are factory items that never went through the cutting, sorting, and packaging process. Distribution: They are usually obtained through special giveaways, staff rewards, or charity auctions, rather than standard retail booster packs. Storage and Display: Because of their size, they are framed as wall art rather than placed in card binders or penny sleeves. Set Checklists: Standard set checklists and numbering systems only account for individual cards that can be physically pulled from a pack.

Including an uncut sheet next to standard pulled cards breaks the organizational flow of a card collection, as it is a printing press relic rather than a playable or standard pack-inserted item.

You are a newbie because you have so few posts.

The Simpsons Downunder Trading Cards From Tempo 1996.
This is a quick run-down of information regarding the Simpsons trading cards from Tempo. Courtesy Alex Jones

CHARACTER CARDS:
1. Homer J. Simpson
2. Marge Simpson
3. Abraham Grampa Simpson
4. Lisa Simpson
5. Bart Simpson
6. Maggie Simpson
7. Milhouse Van Houten
8. Uter
9. Ralph Wiggum
10. Waylon Smithers
11. Mr. Burns
12. Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
13. Sherri and Terri
14. Mr. Largo
15. Bag Boy
16. Snowball II
17. Santa's Little Helper
18. Itchy and Scratchy
19. Principal Skinner
20. Mrs. Krabappel
21. Groundskeeper Willie
22. Chief Wiggum
23. Lou and Eddie
24. Lionel Hutz
25. Moe
26. Barney Gumble
27. Snake
28. Ruth Powers
29. Princess Kashmir
30. Cletus and Brandine
31. Krusty the Clown
32. Sideshow Bob
33. Professor Frink
34. Kent Brockman
35. Troy Maclure
36. Dr. Nick Riviera
Bart VS Australia:
(each card in this part of the collection forms the story of episode 2F13.)
37. Title Card
38. Squeezing Tubes
39. Lisa explaining to Bart
40. Bart Flushing Toilet
41. Homer in Shower
42. Marge to Bart
43. Lisa at Globe with Bart
44. Bart spinning the Globe
45. Pointing to Australia
46. Koala being zapped
47. Bart and Tobias on the phone
48. Milhouse at window
49. Bart looking back at phone
50. Homer with the phone bill
51. Bruno Dondridge with the bill
52. Bruno on the phone to Bart
53. Bruno talking to a member of parliament
54. Bruno and Gus shouting to the prime minister
55. Letters in Bart's bin
56. "No reason to block the TV"
57. Homer with the globe
58. On the couch with the guy
59. Arrival at Airport
60. Bart and his frog
61. Frog and Kangaroo
62. Homer and Marine, just as the punch lands
63. American guy at the toilet
64. Homer crying at toilet
65. Knifey Spoony
66. Giant beer
67. Bart apologising
68. The Aussie flag
69. Homer running to the boot
70. Boomerang throw
71. At the two kangaroos
72. Lisa with the Didgeridoo
73. Frogs in the shop
74. Running to the embassy
75. Bart with U.S. Flag behind him
76. Prime Minister at the gate
77. The boot through the gate
78. Don't tread on me
79. Cans being thrown at chopper
80. Frogs on the corn
81. Koala on the Helicopter leg

ZOMBIE PUZZLE CARDS:
(These cards when placed together correctly create a jigsaw puzzle, on one side of the puzzle is the zombie community, and on the other is blackboard scene with the writing "I will not hang doughnuts on my person.�)
82. Groundskeeper Willie and others
83. Dr. Hibbert and others
84. Grampa and others
85. Ned Flanders and others
86. Professor Frink and others
87. Apu and others
88. Homer and others
89. Lisa and others
90. Principal Skinner and others

TOUR OF SPRINGFIELD:
91. The Springfield Nuclear Power Plant
92. Jebediah Springfield Monument
93. Moe's Tavern
94. The Kwik-E-Mart
95. The Simpson Family Home
96. Springfield Elementary School
CHECKLISTS AND OTHERS:
97. Tempo card
98. Checklist #1.
99. Checklist #2.
100. Checklist #3.
INSERTS: HOMER AS ....
HA1. An Indigenous Australian
HA2. Captain James Cook
HA3. Burke and Wills
HA4. Ned Kelly
HA5. Dame Edna Everage
HA6. Crocodile Dundee
HA7. Mad Max
SPRINGFIELD'S FINEST:
SF1. Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
SF2. Montgomery Burns
SF3. Krusty the Clown
SF4. Nelson Muntz
THE SEVEN DUFFS:
D1. Sleazy
D2. Tipsy
D3. Dizzy
D4. Edgy
D5. Surly
D6. Queasy
D7. Remorseful
REDEMPTION SET:
SDR1.Redemption Card
SDP1.America's Most Nuclear Family
SDC1.Certification Card
BATARANG CARDS:
B1. Batarang Exchange Card

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Originally posted by Billyd2:
Including an uncut sheet next to standard pulled cards breaks the organizational flow of a card collection, as it is a printing press relic rather than a playable or standard pack-inserted item.

Yes, I don't disagree with your way of thinking, but you brought up the term "master set" in an earlier post. In the old traditional definition, a "master set" included the sell sheet and all promos and all variants or error cards, as well as whatever went on the checklist. That's why chesspieceface mentioned it.

Years ago, it was possible to add all those other components and still find them. The "master set" builders were experts who wanted it to be harder to complete. Times change, people just talk about selective "mini masters" on new mainstream premium product now. Even with unlimited funds, you aren't going to be able to get everything, and that has so upset some long time card collectors that they just quit altogether.

The uncut sheets of Homer As..., Woo-Hoo set, Bartarang, and Binder card were sold by Tempo via mail order to dealers and customers by Tempo. They weren't intended to be cut up, but if they ever were, they'd be different than any other single cards as they would be blank where the serial number (or the word "Sample") would normally be found.

Tempo didn't just offer these kind of sheets for The Simpsons, either. They were available for other Tempo sets, too. You could get the complete base set on an uncut sheet limited to 100 or the Chase cards on uncut sheet(s) limited to 50. They were pretty expensive for the time, though, so they likely didn't sell very many of them for any of the sets. If ordering the uncut Chase sheets, you actually got 2 of the same uncut sheet with matching serial numbers, so that you could display the front and the back at the same time. One of the sheets was numbered out of /50 on the front and the other was numbered out of /50 on the back, so there were actually 100 of each chase card uncut sheet produced for direct sale.

The uncut plastic card sheet (Seven Duffs, Springfields Finest) shown below, on the other hand, was not intended for retail sale at any point. This is a factory item that never went through the cutting, sorting, and packaging process, as Billy described. It additionally has some Rugrats cards on it which were intended for that Tempo set, but were ultimately never issued as single cards for whatever reason.

Master set-appropriate or not, I'm pretty happy to own something Simpsons-related that I have only ever seen one of.
Here it is:




Finally, the checklist above is missing the four standard sized promo cards, the Binder Album purchase incentive standard-sized card (#'d/500) and the oversized box-topper and case-topper cards. Those were printed on the same flexible plastic material as the Seven Duffs and Springfield's Finest.

Box topper cards:
4 different designs. Found randomly one card per every 6 boxes. Approximately 5x7 in size. All are all numbered "1 of 625".

Case topper cards:
2 different, both approximately 8X10 in size. One depicts the whole family sitting on the couch, using the same art as on the Album Binder bonus card. The other is the display box and binder album art which was a portrait of the family dressed for their Australian vacation. You'd get one or the other from a sealed case. They aren't numbered like the box cards, but as there were 1,250 cases made, that means there are 625 copies of each case card, too.

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I think Raven has been waiting for a dissenting opinion regarding whether uncut sheets are somehow separate from "pulled cards" because they weren't inserted in packs. Uncut sheets are the sum of the cards - the original form from which the cards have been separated. To me, that's like saying a skeleton is separate from the component bones and teeth because it wouldn't fit in a smaller type of container in which any of the skeletal elements would fit.

I've never thought of my collection having an "organizational flow" because it's still somewhat unorganized.

Also, all cards could be considered "printing press relics."

Whether something is playable or pack-inserted does not always determine whether it's part of the set. The boomerang from the Simpsons Down Under set could be considered part of the set even if it comes in its own large custom frame (and it did) which is way too big to fit in a pack.

Is Raven laughing yet?

As usual images are being posted via a third party website that is banned by the UK so those of us based there cannot see what this is all about. Can someone else provide the image please.

John, check your email. I sent you the pictures posted above.

It turns out there are all three versions of the Bartarang card currently available for sale on Ebay.

1) an actual numbered one (15/50) that was apparently unredeemed as it is not hole-punched.
This card graded PSA7 and is currently priced at $18,000.

I would consider this to be the third most desirable Simpsons card ever made (after an Art D'Bart actual sketch card and the "Lucky Day" redemption card it took to get that card), Although there are some other candidates for the bronze medal spot, it would be very, very hard to argue against 1 and 2 which come from 1993 Skybox Series 1.

2) The Sample version, which is noted as such in the auction listing title and on the back of the card itself. It is listed for $3k or best offer. A couple like it (or perhaps the same card) have sold for approx. $1,800 recently. I don't know whether the one currently listed is the same copy as the either of the ones that sold.

3) Finally, there is one that has been cut from the uncut sheet numbered to /50 that I described. You can tell this is the case as there is neither serial numbering or the "Sample" notation. That area is blank. That seller didn't disclose that it is cut from a sheet, but there is no way to know if the seller is actually aware of that. Based on the fact they used a comically simple AI-written description for a card they want to get $8,000 for, I'll say probably not.

I have the Sample Bartarang Card and the sheet numbered to /50 with one on it, but the $18k actual single version, unfortunately, won't be joining my organizational flow as I am happily married and would not like to get divorced.

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