posted June 10, 2020 05:17 AM Hide Post
somebody please tell me if casemapping is not permitted here Smile
the top of the pack is commons and then uncommons.
the rares almost always in the bottom and the ultra rare right in the middle.
pack 1
mainly sites
068
075
087
091
061
046
047
048
049
072 rare
078
074
077
005 rare
006 rare

pack 2
mainly x files
149
150
151 fixed
153
154
155
156
134
136
109
111
056
062
265 rare
267 rare


man this is definitely distracting me from everything. i never had more than one pack of these in a week that wasn't x-mas or B'day's.


pack 3
mainly x files
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
130
066
072 rare
078
074
271 rare
230 rare


pack 4
half bluffs
131
132
093
094
095
097
098
100
102
077
080
081
082
231 rare
234 rare

pack 5
mainly sites
103
108
112
060
063
064
071
069
073
024
025
030
031
238 rare
240 rare

pack 6
mainly sites
068
075
087
091
061
046
047
048
049
038
036
037
039
241 rare
242 rare

pack 7
mainly half sites half combat
050
052
053
054
058
002
007
008
009
043
051
001
003
244 rare
245 rare ONE I NEEDED!

PACK 8
mainly half event half combat
010
254
027
282
283
042
300
307
312
004
011
014
017
247 rare ONE MORE!
212 rare

PACK 9
mainly equipment
313
314
320
318
321
328
332
233
235
019
020
022
023
213 rare
214 rare

pack 10
mainly sites
214 rare
061
046
047
048
049
050
052
053
054
222 ultra rare deep throat yay Big Grin
062
066
072 rare
078

pack 11
mainly sites
103
108
112
060
063
064
071
069
073
111
056
062
066
044
067 rare

pack 12
mainly event
246
253
272
280
281
288
296
287
157
340
341
343
345
215 rare
217 rare

pack 13
half witness
158
159
184
190
202
205
206
225
228
346
348
350
351
219 rare
223 rare

pack 14
mainly x files
145
147
146
149
150
152
153
154
155
086
306
310
311
226 rare
229 rare

pack 15
mainly adversary
156
153
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
316
319
317
323
191 rare
193 rare

pack 16
half x files
144
113
117
121
123
126
128
129
130
324
330
331
277
194 rare
197 rare

pack 17
half bluff
131
132
093
094
095
097
098
100
102
034
040
287
289
098
199 rare

pack 18
half sites
103
108
112
060
063
064
071
069
073
291
223 rare
229 rare
301
200 rare
201 rare

pack 19
mainly sites
068
075
087
091
061
046
047
048
049
302
026
255
256
203 rare
204 rare

pack 20
mainly half sites half combat
215
058
002
007
008
009
010
254
027
028 rare
284 NEEDED THAT ULTRA RARE YAY!
074
077
080
081

pack 21
half combat half sites
050
052
053
054
058
002
007
008
009
080
081
082
024
113
018 rare

pack 22
mainly combat
010
254
027
282
283
042
300
307
312
025
030
031
038
012 rare
015 rare

pack 23
mainly equipment
313
314
320
318
321
328
332
233
235
036
037
039
043
016 rare YAY ANOTHER Big Grin
021 rare

pack 24
mainly events
246
253
272
280
281
288
296
298
157
051
001
003
004
028 rare
029 rare

pack 25
a mix
158
159
184
190
202
205
206
225
228
011
014
017
019
327 rare
329 rare

pack 26
mainly x files
145
147
146
149
150
152
153
154
155
020
022
023
340
334 rare
337 rare

pack 27
mainly x files
156
134
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
341
343
345
346
338 rare
342 rare

pack 28
half sites quarter combat quarter event
050
052
053
054
058
002
007
008
009
258
259
260
263
070 rare
076 rare

pack 29
half events
010
254
027
282
283
042
300
307
312
266
268
269
209
084 rare
085 rare

pack 30
half equipment quarter events
313
314
320
318
321
328
332
233
235
211
221
224
227
090 rare
104 rare

pack 31
mainly events
246
253
272
280
281
288
296
298
157
232
236
237
239
106 rare
220 rare

pack 32
half witness
158
159
184
190
202
205
206
225
228
249
114
115
116
185 rare
186 rare

pack 33
mainly x files
145
147
146
149
150
152
153
154
155
118
188
189
192
032 rare
035 rare

pack 34
mainly x files...again
156
134
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
195
196
207
088
033 rare
041 rare

pack 35
mainly half x files half bluff
144
113
117
121
123
126
128
129
130
089
092
096
099
045 rare
055 rare

last pack
mainly bluff
131
132
093
094
095
097
098
100
102
101
105
107
109
057 rare
059 rare

It's not permitted as it would lead to cherry picking. Also, this is a site for Non-Sport trading cards, not CCG cards.

well you sure do have a lot of ccg card people here.i'd say you might have to accept us as card collectors of non sports cards.
i'm a collector of cards not a ccg player so don't particularly want to hang out on a ccg forum that's 90% magic the gathering which i hate.
but there's no need for hate. you love cards. i love cards. since i was in diapers collecting baseball cards. when they came with bubblegum. right through my teens with comic cards and every series of x files cards and now after pulling my life back together after an incredibly messy divorce almost a decade ago ,i was just wanting to join a community of like minded people and if you can suggest any less discriminatory card forum then i'd love to join it

why did allender say "t's permitted and encouraged!" if it's not and if it's not then what is your box breakdown section for?

i will leave my original post unchanged until someone with authority tells me to take it down .

but honestly the packs have not been listed in order because i spilled them so even if casemapping is not permitted,this is not technically a case map. just ratios of rares and ultra rares in 36 packs from the same box.

also if you're buying 24 year old ccg card cases to "cherry pick" you are just going to be stuck with hundreds of packets that won't sell.
people know cherry picking happens.
which is probably the reason why a pack of these cards costs half what they did when released 24 years ago. not even considering inflation.

Why ask questions if you're going to argue against the answer?

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Originally posted by Graham:
It's not permitted as it would lead to cherry picking. Also, this is a site for Non-Sport trading cards, not CCG cards.

Graham, I'm puzzled. It's not usual to post complete pack data ("case-mapping"), but I think every other box breakdown arrives in the same place if you ignore common/base card reports.

CCG cards are non-sport trading cards whenever the incentive is to collect, not to game-play. I do a search of Card Talk for "CCG" and find twelve pages of posts.

The boundaries of interest are different for every member of this forum, in my opinion. Are stickers "cards"? At one time NSU was giving significant coverage to pogs/tazos when they were at their peak as a fad, another genre that appeared to have crossover appeal, and that was a lot farther from media/comic card releases. Some traditional sets have been cross-promoted with CCG cards, and NSU has had occasional articles on CCG releases over the years.

My take is that's one of the beauties of forum subject lines. You can see if a thread covers an area of the broader hobby you aren't following. I get frequent requests to add CCG releases to the checklists, but if all somebody wants was a card list to assist gameplay, I could refer them elsewhere. If there was value that could be added for collectors, like discussing distribution in packs and cases or subject-area subsets that could appeal to people who enjoy taking the cards and viewing them for content, they're fair game.

CCGs did not appeal to a lot of collectors because the traditional idea of "base sets" and set completion was complicated by different levels of rarity. Today those are the mantras of many major manufacturers of mainstream sets, with tiers and SP and SSP "base" cards and a half dozen low-level insert sets (some of them split into rarity levels) before you even deal with hits. As a collector, I was always more attracted to finding new cards than I cared about stamped parallel versions of the same cards.

Probably the collecting world for CCGs has diverged from the collecting world for other NS cards. That was less true in the 1990s with the bigger variety of retail outlets. I go to WalMart now and see only game and sports cards. A whole generation might be missing the beauties of the rest of our hobby, and I don't mind trying to extend their passion beyond Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon. It's easier to recruit new blood with properties like X-Files or its modern equivalent that have a demonstrated presence in both arenas. I've even found youngsters who only knew about game cards who were encouraged to attend a show, and came out saying "wow, I didn't know what I was missing."
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i have two opposing answers and one's from somebody who i've seen say a lot of intelligent things at length where as, you said things that made me think that you did not understand and are just talking. so i ask you if there are any factual rules you could point me to or are you telling me your own judgement? can somebody tell me who was right here.

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Originally posted by handicapabletrader:
i have two opposing answers and one's from somebody who i've seen say a lot of intelligent things at length where as, you said things that made me think that you did not understand and are just talking. so i ask you if there are any factual rules you could point me to or are you telling me your own judgement? can somebody tell me who was right here.

Again - calm down - Historically cherry picking/case mapping has always been discouraged on this forum and generally speaking CCG box breaks haven't been posted on box breaks, also there are a lot of opinions on the forum.

Both Graham and allender have a lot of experience in the hobby and I don't think either are wrong. Personally I would have just posted the entire break, focusing on the rare cards - just like normal box breaks focus on the hits

Graham is a member of this community whose opinions I respect greatly. Different people come to this forum with different goals. I don't see any benefit from negative personal comments either here or in other threads.

We're both right, okay?

Graham and hammer focused on the unusual nature of "case-mapping" versus summarizing breakdowns and hits. I admit that I'm not sure I fully understand the concern with cherry picking, but I grant that there may have been abuses in the past. If a newbie to this board appears to be moving off-topic or into sensitive territory, we can feel free to comment. I accept the concern about cherry picking but disagree with the concern about CCGs being off-topic in the context of card collecting.
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Just checking on my own Box Breakdown posts on Card Talk, there were two series that were marketed as gaming cards but really were traditional sets. They were released by cardmakers who did most of their marketing in areas related to their larger involvement with CCGs. One of them was a box I picked up at the Philly Show.

These sets weren't what I would have categorized as CCG because they were base cards with the same scarcity, perhaps with limited insert subsets. Other CCG releases were posted on my own forum because the concept of "base" cards is different and I didn't see the need to cross-post.

Related Topic 1: The threads started by Don Norton, Graham, xtime, and a few less prolific thread-starters are the ones I consider most faithful to what I want to see in breakdowns: a summary of card distributions, a mention of notable hits, and a paragraph of commentary on key features of the card set. Most of the Box Breakdowns I've seen over the last few years have focused on announcing and picturing autos, sketches, etc. They are proud commentary on finding ultra-rare cards.

Follow-ups that talk only about big hits have a place of interest and I'm reluctant to think of them as cherry picking. We should move a discussion about splitting them off back to the "Suggestions & Requests" part of Card Talk, where Harris moved it in 2008 when I strayed into another one of my "long, thoughtful" posts that spawned great comments from some of the same people reading this today. Other threads go back to the very beginning of Card Talk.
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OK. I'M CALM
sorry i have both been having trouble understanding wether this was okay,
and having my own problems invading my day between posts. not your problem tho.
i understand a lot better now and will do it differently next time.
i simply had written this list before i came on here to upload it instead of seeing what other people had done and supplying something similar.
and then when i asked if i'd done it ok it felt rude to be told this was not the right forum for my ccg. i looked around for any forum with topics on these cards and this was it, as far as i could see. this is the only ccg i own,have 10 cards to go and then want to get back to more traditional cards. i don't want to be ostracized as a mid 30's man who people think wants to play card games from my childhood all day. and you all know the kind of person i'm describing. girlfriend repellant, but at least they have friends. sometimes i walk passed those people playing their magic and dragonball z and wish i could pretend to like it just to increase my actual friend count by 40'000%. i'm sure their all nice people. but i like to hustle. not waste time. usually i'm not doing something to earn money then i'm learning about something to make me a better person or finding new ways to make money. (i'm a disability pensioner so i usually only make about $50 a week ontop of my pension by fixing pc's and putting them on gumtree or buying things i know are real cheap and sitting on them until someone wants to pay a better price. i've got four of the new gameboys if anyones interested in one even when i relax i usually watch animated things or read comics to get better at art by seeing the professionals do it.

i'll leave the original post as is unless i am told to take it down purely because this is not financially important information,
the packs are not in order,
and cherry picking a $100 case for two ultra rare cards that have a chance of being worth upto $25 each would be....well stupid. i found that out by opening this case to show ratios that i could not find anywhere online
it really interested me and i spent literally hours trying to find things online to describe how a wierd set was put together in a weird way that would have made it real hard to make a set.

The posts in the box breakdown section are generally short and sweet. "I made the set. I didn't make the set. I need card such and such. Here are the inserts. Here are the hits. The cards are nice/ugly. Here's the grade."

The review usually depends on whether or not there was deemed to be enough value in the box opened. If you pulled two $8.00 hits its unlikely to get a thumbs up.

I wouldn't know what to do with a breakdown like the one that opens this thread, but I can't recall anyone saying "case mapping" is not allowed unless it was before my time. This forum is primarily used by collectors rather than sellers/flippers. It's an interesting and perhaps valid point that it could be used for cherry picking, but that might be only for bulk buyers. With my one or two boxes, I certainly wouldn't need to scroll threw lengthy breakdowns of individual packs in a normal thread. The abbreviated breakdown versions are adequate enough for me, but if anyone decides that this is permitted, I would suggest to keep it separate.

Same thing with the debate over CCGs and Non-Sport cards. CCGs are Non-Sport cards, but they are in their own category, whether you collect them to play the game or just to get the cards. As a Non-Sport card collector I have no interest in reading about any CCG, but I wouldn't care if there were threads on Card Talk for CCG collector non-players. I just wouldn't read them. If the posts started to get mixed up with non-gaming Non-Sport cards then it would create all sorts of issues.

Yes, Suggestions and Requests is a better place to discuss this, the only problem is that I'm not sure if anyone will make a decision. We don't really hear a lot from Moderators anymore since the restructure, which is both good and bad.

As has been mentioned here, we have always discouraged people from posting/encourage how to cherry-pick product on the NSU forum. Yes, it's done and we're not turning a blind eye but we also don't want to be the resource for it.

Also, and has been also pointed out, the box breakdown forum (as least in my mind) has always been for the collector to post what they got out of a box...'Hey, the new Star Trek XYZ product is out today and this is what my box contained." Use it to show off your hits and/or set expectations for others. Or in the unfortunate (and unusual) case where a product collation issues exists, let others know they may be disappointed.

And finally, and I realize I am adding to the issue here but the box breakdown forum was originally created for that...box breakdowns. Product discussion, forum suggestions, etc. is intended to be done on the other forums.

Thanks all!

ok i am replying to three posts that all mention that this is not a discussion place
so i won't post anymore about this.
i think i have been answered that case mapping is discouraged and naughty.
so i will not provide case maps on this site.
since the packs in my list were jumbled this is just pack mapping .
and i'm not going to further this conversation by asking if pack mapping is discouraged.
thanks mr moderator