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Originally posted by MILLER 777:
First I would would like to say I agree with the general consensus here, artists should be able to post new work to share with everyone,but trying to sell the said artwork is where this has become an issue.

Yeah, you're halfway there, but the problem includes work not related to actual trading card sets.

I personally think that the major card manufactures frequent the boards and its benifical to have artwork posted for an oportunity to work for said manufacturer.

That may be the case, but how is that beneficial for anyone but the artist? This is a card collector site.

When did you become the ambassador for the trading card industry by the way? I dont want to go into a whole bashing session over all of this. I dont need the drama.

I think your comment there is a totally unfair. Maybe he's not actually ambassador but at least he understands the situation. We could do with a few more artists like that round here.

MILLER777 out

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Originally posted by MILLER 777:
Now Mr Houseman I am sorry I singled you out brother,but you were the last in line.You are correct there are other artists that feel the same as you. Are you really right?Do you have your own website to promote your artwork? When did you become the ambassador for the trading card industry by the way? MILLER777 out

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Originally posted by X:

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Originally posted by MILLER 777:
When did you become the ambassador for the trading card industry by the way? I dont want to go into a whole bashing session over all of this. I dont need the drama.

I think your comment there is a totally unfair. Maybe he's not actually ambassador but at least he understands the situation. We could do with a few more artists like that round here.

MILLER777 out

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Originally posted by Silverback:
I will simply say that I love seeing the artist's scans, and if they stop, I will sorely miss them!

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Originally posted by RAMolinelli:
Scott I agree with Miller on you seem to have made yourself seem like your the High Chief for sketch cards artists and that you got backalsh for that aspect not how you feel.

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Originally posted by RAMolinelli:
WOW, just WOW. I have never read a thread in my whole life that just makes me want to not talk anymore.

With that being said for you to insuate that we are all in this for the money. I posted here because in one thread when I was doing LOTR Masterpiece someone mentioned wanting to see more of my work. I post here to interact with my fans. People who without them I wouldn't be who I am. But I have to say that this thread has made me wonder if my decision to post me work here was a good idea. I wanted to offer something different other than the same old, same old I saw here. No OTHER community has balked at me for posting my work. Hell I post on a SPORTS card community along with Ingrid. They don't care they look at it as a breathe of fresh air. People saying I have an alterior motive just................I can't even find the words. So if anyone wants to come and enjoy some artwork please feel free to head over to Scoundrel Art Community. I'll be there. Apparently Nae, Amy and myself are too stupid to understand that you guys want a piece of the pie that you think we are keeping to ourselves and robbing from NSU, when most if not all of us were here to try and make the community better.
Scott I agree with Miller on you seem to have made yourself seem like your the High Chief for sketch cards artists and that you got backalsh for that aspect not how you feel.

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Originally posted by NIK:
Does anyone know when this new area for artists will open? I enjoy seeing the works of CC, RAM, Jedipencil and all the others here, I'm missing them already.

I'm also now worried about certain other threads that I read, will they be closed down because they have nothing to do with card collecting? Or because they are clogging up Card talk? Threads like 'Name that TV quote' currently at 61 pages long! 'Jokes for adults', 'Jokes for kids'. General entertainment announcements, chatter, snowmen, the new Rush album, peoples birthdays, new pets, which star sign are you, I shaved my mustache (LOL) etc. I truthfully enjoy all these threads (really). Please don't wipe these out or force the people to pay for these threads because they have nothing to do with card collecting. Thank you

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I am surprised though, that you guys wont be advertising. Really, I think it would be of great benefit for you for more reasons than just commissions.

All the manufacturers read the boards. All of them. And I know for a fact that they would sometimes pick an artist for a set, based not nessecarily on his art but also on his popularity.(although if it stunk, you know....) For this reason alone, John Czop and Warren Martinek will never be out of work. They are EXTREMELY popular on the board and on the convention circuit. Darren Auck and Michael Kraiger can also claim this, to a slightly lesser extent, but they are still very popular. One of the reasons for this (besides their phenomonal art) was they were all early NSU posters and really helped break open sketch cards in the business.

Also, posting your original art will get collectors interested in the sets you are going to be doing or have done as well. This will certainly help the sales of your sketches on ebay, which in turn will get you, or keep you on the brain of the maufacturers.

And lastly, you really do reach alot more people on NSU than you will from your personal site. Those that have ads will definately have a leg up on those who dont.

All this is null and void if sketch cards are not your main business or goal - but if it is, really, $25 for 3 months will pay for itself 10 times over.

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Originally posted by X:

Exactly NIK, you (and I'm sure many others) also enjoy the threads not to do with card collecting so they should stay! And like these categories, random artwork should gets one all its own, its not my interest but that doesn't mean it should go away.

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Originally posted by X:
Exactly NIK, you (and I'm sure many others) also enjoy the threads not to do with card collecting so they should stay! And like these categories, random artwork should gets one all its own, its not my interest but that doesn't mean it should go away.

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Originally posted by X:
Is Scott the only artist on here who 'gets' it?

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I get the feeling that artists are surprised at this so called 'backlash' because so many people post positive comments about the random work artists post. But lets stop being naive for 5 minutes; how muck criticism do you really expect?

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If I don't like _____ ______'s art I wouldn't dream of saying "sorry that looks rubbish" that would be, a) rude, and b) spark comments like "so you think you can do better?" Like Cat said to me in another thread artists don't ask to be praised, but do you really think criticism of any variety would be well recieved? Of course the presence of the artist will appear rose-tinted to them: your fans will praise you and most likely your critics will extend you the courtesy of being polite by turning a blind eye. Thats what I do anyway. I am well aware that I am part of the 'Vocal Few' but I can honestly say that I have NEVER criticised an artists work or talent in any thread.

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Yet just the other day I said (in another thread) that Topps overload their products with sketches because it is easier for them to pay artists that want or need to exposure. Which I believe is a fair and valid point. I would not call that slagging off Topps or the artists involved yet I then have to deal with Miss Staggs calling me out over my preference for autograph cards. This I beleive is unaccpetable and quite intolerable. With all the butt-kissing that goes on in particular threads it seems that because of their artistic prowess, certain artists deify themselves to such a degree that their opinions as a part of the process, supercede the opinions of the people actually collecting the cards! To be honest I can do without the hassle. Hostility between artists and collectors is by no means a one-way-street.

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Artistic credentials or the place of the artist within the non-sport hobby is not what is being debated,

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but their place within the COMMUNITY, which is why even if I like an artists work I will hardly (if ever) compliment their work because I do not want the encourage the trends occuring on the boards at the moment.

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It can be dressed up any way you want but there are too many 'Look at me and my art' threads flooding the General Discussion area and occasionally News & Rumours.

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Artists please get ready for this: This is NON-SPORT UPDATE and I come here to discuss NON-SPORT TRADING CARDS.


I do have one question for the artists on here: Why do you share your work here?

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If you are in it for advertising then the paid area is definately the way to go. If you are not, then by all means, please share the art you have done for a card set you have worked on, your input is invaluable. Nobody is trying to exclude the artists; just categorise their work into relevant sections. Oh the furoar!

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Originally posted by MarleyEds:

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Originally posted by X:
Exactly NIK, you (and I'm sure many others) also enjoy the threads not to do with card collecting so they should stay! And like these categories, random artwork should gets one all its own, its not my interest but that doesn't mean it should go away.

...but you still want artists to pay to post in this thread?

If artists posting other art is deemed advertising, isn't posting that you'll be at an up and coming convention advertisting too? Maybe you should have to pay to post your convention schedule too.

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So wheter you flat out called me stupid or you imply it its the same thing my friend. I'm glad your a fan of my artwork, hell I'm glad everyone is. But it just seems that if you guys didn't want the artist threads maybe the OWNERS of the site should have told us not Scott Houseman, not X or President Bush.