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When is a sellout not a sellout? It's not rocket science.

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When is a sellout not a sellout? It's not rocket science.


Maybe not, but since I don't understand the comment, I don't know the answer. If you mean Space 1999 is not really sold out, it still seems to say that on the website.

Of course the majority of card maker sellouts are only going to certain places, so of course the stuff is always available on the retail end for at least a little while after release and sometimes for a long while. Wink
 
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When is a sellout not a sellout? It's not rocket science.


Maybe not, but since I don't understand the comment, I don't know the answer. If you mean Space 1999 is not really sold out, it still seems to say that on the website.

Of course the majority of card maker sellouts are only going to certain places, so of course the stuff is always available on the retail end for at least a little while after release and sometimes for a long while. Wink


Unstoppable just posted today that, because people were upset that Space 1999 sold out so quickly, they've made more boxes available (only 20, I think).

What Spencer's getting at is, this is classic Unstoppable. They are ALWAYS holding product back and telling everyone it's sold out. Then miraculously, later down the line, some super rare autograph appears again that it turns out they've been holding onto some copies of, or whatever. Not like the Rittenhouse version of holding things back, which is saving a card that hasn't been released at all, for a future set. They release things, and then "discover" more of it later.
 
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I didn't see that, but it's kind of dumb for Unstoppable to think that 20 more boxes is going to do anything to satisfy upset people. Big Grin Why bother at all?

As for RA, I wouldn't give them a pass either. Just look at what they did with GoT Inflexions. They advertise only 400 cases, but fail to mention the International Edition of equal quantity until shortly before release. So now its double the production.

Funny that there has been no mention of a Star Trek Inflexions International Edition YET. And before anyone goes crazy, I am joking. However RA did it once, so you can't say it's the last we will ever hear of "international" cards either. Wink

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I think Rittenhouse did an international ( or maybe just uk ) version of a James Bond set. It had diffrent chase cards and a diffrent case topper.

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You are correct wolfie. That was the set that no one remembered, which RA sighted as historical precedent for issuing a GoT Inflexions International Edition, when the complaints started.

Bottom line, card makers do what makes them the most money and that isn't wrong, but they shouldn't make promises and look for excuses when they break them. That goes for all of them.
 
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Is Space 1999 still be released around Oct 31 ?
 
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Looks like Space 1999 is still 2-3 weeks away from release, from what I have been told.

So mid-November ?

Also, the special metal dealer promos will be limited to less than 20 per dealer. Each of the select dealers will have his own unique card
 
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Post on Facebook today (Oct 30) that release of Space 1999 has been delayed, but should ship no later than 14 days from now
 
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Supposedly Space 1999 ships Nov 11
 
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So the cards have dropped on EBay. *Yawn*
Barrie offering special platinum boxes with actually less than the normal boxes on Sunday. Only 10, not the 20 mentioned before. No word on price.
Curiously one of these special platinum boxes is already on EBay from one of the dealers.
Unstoppable just isn't for collectors anymore, purely aimed at dealers now. IMHO Good luck to them, think they are gonna take a kicking on this one. You never know though.

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So the cards have dropped on EBay. *Yawn*
Barrie offering special platinum boxes with actually less than the normal boxes on Sunday. Only 10, not the 20 mentioned before. No word on price.
Curiously one of these special platinum boxes is already on EBay from one of the dealers.
Unstoppable just isn't for collectors anymore, purely aimed at dealers now. IMHO Good luck to them, think they are gonna take a kicking on this one. You never know though.


I'm kicking myself for not buying more!!! I was sceptical about the new format but out of 30 boxes purchased I have 2 left and broke 2. I think most dealers have had a great start with sales. Considering the retail price might be around £300, an average cut is selling for £150-£200, Bain for £70-£90 and sketches around £50-100, you've still got 15 other autos in the box so it is good value for money

But you're right, dealer sales account for 95% of Unstoppable's business so its not for the collectors as they all buy straight from the dealers which is the way it should be. I'm often asked to make master sets, help fill in the gaps, and generally help collectors. I personally think all collectors should buy from card dealers, all the dealers I've met at shows are great guys and will give you a great and personal service
 
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I personally think all collectors should buy from card dealers, all the dealers I've met at shows are great guys and will give you a great and personal service



Ah the good old days when all the card dealers and card collectors got together at shows. Now ( in most cases ) it's just dog eat dog on ebay. Frown

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So the cards have dropped on EBay. *Yawn*
Barrie offering special platinum boxes with actually less than the normal boxes on Sunday. Only 10, not the 20 mentioned before. No word on price.
Curiously one of these special platinum boxes is already on EBay from one of the dealers.
Unstoppable just isn't for collectors anymore, purely aimed at dealers now. IMHO Good luck to them, think they are gonna take a kicking on this one. You never know though.


I'm kicking myself for not buying more!!! I was sceptical about the new format but out of 30 boxes purchased I have 2 left and broke 2. I think most dealers have had a great start with sales. Considering the retail price might be around £300, an average cut is selling for £150-£200, Bain for £70-£90 and sketches around £50-100, you've still got 15 other autos in the box so it is good value for money

But you're right, dealer sales account for 95% of Unstoppable's business so its not for the collectors as they all buy straight from the dealers which is the way it should be. I'm often asked to make master sets, help fill in the gaps, and generally help collectors. I personally think all collectors should buy from card dealers, all the dealers I've met at shows are great guys and will give you a great and personal service


Of course you would say that. You're a dealer. Oh and like Barrie you really are exaggerating those figures you're quoting. Those at be *your* prices, or the prices being asked. Doesn't mean they are selling at that price. Indeed a look o EBay tell me they're not and are selling at much cheaper prices.

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I personally think all collectors should buy from card dealers, all the dealers I've met at shows are great guys and will give you a great and personal service



Ah the good old days when all the card dealers and card collectors got together at shows. Now ( in most cases ) it's just dog eat dog on ebay. Frown


It used to be this little hobby was fun and affordable. Now not so much, to be frank. There used to be the anticipation and possible thrill of finding a rarer card, but now they all go straight to the bulk dealer buyer. I did that once on an Unstoppable set and I'm still waiting on incentive stuff that was promised. Ended up worse off and our of pocket. So even with bulk buying it seems that there are favoured buyers. It isn't chance, Barrie knows exactly what is in at he is issuing out. He let that slip in a communication to me once. So if you end up with a **** breakdown, that's what he has decided you deserve.
I'm done.

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Originally posted by Jason Wright:

I personally think all collectors should buy from card dealers, all the dealers I've met at shows are great guys and will give you a great and personal service



Ah the good old days when all the card dealers and card collectors got together at shows. Now ( in most cases ) it's just dog eat dog on ebay. Frown


It used to be this little hobby was fun and affordable. Now not so much, to be frank. There used to be the anticipation and possible thrill of finding a rarer card, but now they all go straight to the bulk dealer buyer. I did that once on an Unstoppable set and I'm still waiting on incentive stuff that was promised. Ended up worse off and our of pocket. So even with bulk buying it seems that there are favoured buyers. It isn't chance, Barrie knows exactly what is in at he is issuing out. He let that slip in a communication to me once. So if you end up with a poor breakdown, that's what he has decided you deserve.
I'm done.

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Here's my autograph display homage to Space 1999 that I finished today. The bottom row features custom made cut signature cards of my favorite guest actors from the show. The available cut signature cards were the wrong orientation and I was looking for a more consistent look. Also, since I had all these signatures in my collection, it was more cost effective to make my own cuts.

EDIT: The Barry Morse Twilight Zone card was bothering me so I did a little customization and dropped in a Professor Bergman image above the signature. New pic uploaded accordingly.

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