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August 21, 2010, 07:49 AM
wolfie
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Originally posted by Scifi Cards:

This is what has killed a Space 1999 set as well. Without images of Martin Landau and Barbara Bain you don't have much of a set. And they won't approve their image to be used. Or that was the story last time a set was talked about.

Ed


There is a Space 1999 set, was that not licensed?

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August 22, 2010, 12:15 AM
Scifi Cards
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Originally posted by wolfie:
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Originally posted by Scifi Cards:

This is what has killed a Space 1999 set as well. Without images of Martin Landau and Barbara Bain you don't have much of a set. And they won't approve their image to be used. Or that was the story last time a set was talked about.

Ed


There is a Space 1999 set, was that not licensed?


Yes, there is the old set.

I was talking about modern sets. I belive Cards Inc. tried to put one together a few years back and ran into image problems.

Ed

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August 23, 2010, 01:36 PM
Sci-FiPlanet
The people who licensed the hammer cards are not in fact Hammer, they are just a company that is meant to represents Hammer, and it seems like they have not done the best job in the world on that score. The image rights to the films are very very difficult, needing a great deal of approval, and some actors have control over there images and how they are used including Lee in some of his pictures. That means he or his representative's can pull any item not authorized by him/them.

Lee did NOT authorize any sketch cards in the set, and he is not the only one. Sad for the fans, but really something that should have been taken care of at a much earlier stage. In fact it is more than a little harsh to only chase the resellers. I wonder if that has anything to do with the delay..

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August 23, 2010, 06:35 PM
jaseb
I believe this is the company who licences Hammer Films productions:

http://www.coolabi.com/properties/ref:P470627F65C211

They are mentioned on Strictly Inks Hammer page, looks pukka enough to me. I don't know about individual actors though. It would be odd in my opinion to have a licence for a film, brand or product and not be able to use images from said property.
August 23, 2010, 06:40 PM
Kelad9
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Originally posted by Sci-FiPlanet:
The people who licensed the hammer cards are not in fact Hammer, they are just a company that is meant to represents Hammer, and it seems like they have not done the best job in the world on that score. The image rights to the films are very very difficult, needing a great deal of approval, and some actors have control over there images and how they are used including Lee in some of his pictures. That means he or his representative's can pull any item not authorized by him/them.

Lee did NOT authorize any sketch cards in the set, and he is not the only one. Sad for the fans, but really something that should have been taken care of at a much earlier stage. In fact it is more than a little harsh to only chase the resellers. I wonder if that has anything to do with the delay..


I don't blame Mr. Lee or his representative in pulling the auctions if indeed his image wasn't used with permission. I just wished we could have communicated with the agent in charge as not all of us (those of us not in the film business) would know exactly what rights of publicity is.(i had to ask a few friends of mine what that was. *LOL*). We've asked ebay what to do now that we've tried to contact the agent and haven't gotten a reply. My boss is a little bit mad because our compliance is medium now instead of high with ebay due to this situation & we are trying in good faith to open communications. I don't think we should have gotten penalized for selling something someone had issues with that we weren't even aware of.
Wow I'm just now rereading this and I sound whiny.sorry about that guys.
August 23, 2010, 06:45 PM
Ryan Cracknell
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Originally posted by jaseb:
It would be odd in my opinion to have a licence for a film, brand or product and not be able to use images from said property.


It is odd but there's a long history behind it. The old Close Encounters set comes to mind for me. If you flip through the set there's not a single card depicting the film's main (human) star - Richard Dreyfuss. More recently, I believe image permissions from one of the main actresses in Charmed held those up for some time.

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August 23, 2010, 10:42 PM
Raven
What surprises me is how I keep reading time and time again about problems with copyrights or images in Strictly Ink products.

I'm not saying that SI is at fault because I don't know that, but obviously it keeps getting into legal issues when proper due diligence should avoid these situations. SI just went through the Harryhausen thing and I'm not sure how that one turned out. To have a similar situation come up with Christopher Lee seems silly.

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August 24, 2010, 02:49 AM
WOMBLE
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Originally posted by jaseb:
I believe this is the company who licences Hammer Films productions:

http://www.coolabi.com/properties/ref:P470627F65C211

They are mentioned on Strictly Inks Hammer page, looks pukka enough to me. I don't know about individual actors though. It would be odd in my opinion to have a licence for a film, brand or product and not be able to use images from said property.


IIRC although copyright law here (UK) is generally similar to that in the US, there are differences especially in actor's image rights. I also guess alot also depends on contracts which were signed before most Cardtalkers were born.
August 24, 2010, 03:00 AM
hammer
quote:
Originally posted by Raven:
What surprises me is how I keep reading time and time again about problems with copyrights or images in Strictly Ink products.

I'm not saying that SI is at fault because I don't know that, but obviously it keeps getting into legal issues when proper due diligence should avoid these situations. SI just went through the Harryhausen thing and I'm not sure how that one turned out. To have a similar situation come up with Christopher Lee seems silly.


I don't think they care about it. They probably work on the assumption that nobody will take them to court. As it happens the only people hurt are those trying to sell on secondary market.
August 24, 2010, 06:29 AM
Sci-FiPlanet
Yes the agency is coolabie, I wasn't going to name them but seeing as someone else already has I see no harm in doing so now. They are the representatives for Hammer and they should have been the ones to seek authorization from hammer for every image used in the card sets.

Someone used the words Due Diligence in this thread, that's a word that many licensing agency don't seem to understand. You may find it interesting that on the first Hammer set the coolabie name never appeared on the SI website, but following research for an article that we decided not to push forward on it subsequently appeared very prominently.

I have in the past been in touch with coolabie in the past and personally after that I cant say this situation comes as a surprise. Perhaps all the disgruntled customers should contact coolabie about the situation I mean they are the ones who apparently licensed and authorized every image and sketch card... My understanding is that they would be jointly liable for any copyright in infringement that sellers have been intentionally penalized for.

Clearly the cards were bought in good faith, One would assume that all approval had been sought and authorized... I mean who would release a card set without that right?

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September 04, 2010, 01:27 PM
jaseb
Hmm, I am staring to think that there is more to this than meets the eye. Since this news broke the wesite has removed the sell sheet and news regarding the imminent release of this set is very sparce, has anyone heard anything? Nothing has been posted anywhere for nearly a fortnight now, I know Strictly Ink track record for releasing sets on time is pretty poor but all the same something seems amis to me.
September 04, 2010, 04:05 PM
Jason Wright
It should be out end of September now so only 3 months late Frown I'm still really looking forward to this one, as far as I'm aware this is the first set that SI have done where they've included duel autos and signed costume cards so should be interesting Thumb Up
September 06, 2010, 03:21 AM
Sci-FiPlanet
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Originally posted by jaseb:
Hmm, I am staring to think that there is more to this than meets the eye. Since this news broke the wesite has removed the sell sheet and news regarding the imminent release of this set is very sparce, has anyone heard anything? Nothing has been posted anywhere for nearly a fortnight now, I know Strictly Ink track record for releasing sets on time is pretty poor but all the same something seems amis to me.





I am loving the new disclaimer which clearly was not written by a native English speaker.. That clears it all up then... aside from ebay still pulling listings that is...

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September 06, 2010, 06:08 AM
jaseb
Strangely enough the website now has the digital sell sheet back up on the main page, but with alterations. How odd.

I just double checked and Sketch artists are no longer mentioned and there are 4 card changes, not very amusing.
September 06, 2010, 10:16 AM
Barrie Roness
Hi Everyone! Thanks for making this our most successful SOLD OUT product ever!
Look out for the fabulous website and Sketches samples from our 18 sketchers and
much more over the coming days. Less than 4 weeks to release and the wait was worth it!

Everything has to be Hammer approved so a few delays have occurred.

Here's the sketchers list and the auto list for the set.
Amy Pronovost
Andrew Fry
Chris Henderson
Clay McCormack
Don Pedocini, Jr.
Gary Ochiltree
Rich Molinelli
Jason Davies
Potratz & Hai
Jay Pangan
Jessica Hickman
John Gordon
Katie Cook
Kevin Graham
Neil Volkes
Nick Neocleous
Robert Aragon
Robert Forest
Robert Hack
Ryan Orosco
Sarah Lyons
Sarah Wilkinson plus 4 to be announced on arrival.

autographs

Barbara Shelley
Bernard Cribbins
Caroline Munro
Dave Prowse
Ingrid PItt
Jacqueline Pearce
Jenny Hanley
Julian Glover
Madeline Smith
Martine Beswicke
Sheila Steafel
Valerie Leon

two double signed cards
1 costume/signed card
1 costume cards
2 5 card case sets
6 promos
1 9 card sub set

checklist soon - thanks
September 06, 2010, 10:42 AM
Jason Wright
Thanks for the update Barrie, any clues as to who the duel signers are??
September 06, 2010, 11:05 AM
Kevin F
Many thanks for posting an update here Barrie. I'm definitely looking forward to receiving this release. Should be fun.
September 06, 2010, 12:04 PM
treksearcher
It's looking good. Hope the sketches match the quality of first release.

Any news on Odds of finding Double autos?
September 06, 2010, 12:35 PM
jaseb
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Originally posted by Barrie Roness:
Everything has to be Hammer approved so a few delays have occurred.


Well let's hope you do a better job than with Harryhausen.

Another minor thing that has been niggling me, in your first paragraph you state 18 artists then you go on to list 22 or is the 22 including the 4 to be announced on arrival?

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September 23, 2010, 01:25 PM
treksearcher
Barrie has updated his site to state a mid-October release.