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Scratch and sniff costume cards sounds interesting.  I think Joanna should patent that idea quick!!! |
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One other comment: I am AMAZED at the interest in this subject...over 160 comments in about a week!
I know some people are really passionate about this issue but to me it is not a big deal. To each his own! David |
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Let's not get personal here. . .
Posts have been removed. If anyone has any questions please contact any of the moderators. Jon ____________________ Oct '07: webjon.com update: Show reviews: CECE, Comic-Con and WW Chicago. |
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As I have said before on more than one thread, as long as a someone's post is factually accurate and is not overly bias its alright to have an opinion.
The reason this topic has attracted so many members is because Inkworks has such a loyal following and people feel very strongly about the issue of sticker autographs. Now many good points, both pro and con, have been made. The sooner Inkworks gets a few autograph samples up on its website the better. |
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Well... aparently I'm collecting for future value and not because I love the shows or cards. Damn, why didn't I know that!  |
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I'm surprised at the nasty comments that have come up in this thread, however it seems to be those who don't mind the stickers that are resorting to insults. Apparently they feel just as strongly about the issue as those they're insulting for having an opinion, so I don't understand their motive
 All this "well this hobby isn't for you" or "I guess you're not a collector" talk is hogwash. There are plenty of card collectors who don't even care about autograph or piecework cards, they just want the base set and foils, so clearly autograph cards aren't for everyone and if someone has been put off these cards due to stickers, I don't see how it makes them any less of a card collector. I'm done on this topic anyway. Do I like sticker autos? no, they're small and ugly. Will I continue to buy Inkworks products? yes. |
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I liked the Star Wars examples of bad sticker autos. I thought I would show some of my favorite Inkworks autographs, an example of great quality.
  And now the reason why so many of us are complaining.  |
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I just feel sad that some folks' feelings about stickers are going to keep them from picking up sets they will otherwise enjoy. That's not a bash at the anti-sticker folks. Some people are very passionate and I can respect that. I much prefer hand-signed cards and I totally agree with the arguments (the civil, well thought out ones at least) against that. Having said that I think this is something way out of my control but it will not stop me from picking up, say, the new "Doctor Who" set whenever that comes out.
-Bob- ____________________ Reasonable doubt for reasonable people! |
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In the General Card Discussion area, there's a thread on the Inkworks watermark on the back of the card. I didn't even know about the watermark until I saw that thread. So, with that said, why not educate everyone on the watermark and get the word out there that there IS watermarking on the cards. Wouldn't that be sufficient in deterring people from creating fakes and what not? If someone tries to sell a fake, it would be easy to spot and that would be the end of their business.
If someone wants to spend the time on faking watermarks and security labels and autographs, well, there's no stopping them regardless of what you throw at them. Dishonest people will always find a way. Anyways, these are cards, not currency. It's a product that people like you and I are spending hard earned money on. It's too bad our feedback and comments don't account for more. Inkworks, please don't make them like the lousy Topps security holograms. You've been better than them all along. |
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I think what bothers me most about Inkworks' decision to use the sticker autos is their justification of it as a security measure. Many people have pointed out that there are other ways to make things harder for counterfeiters: watermarks, holograms on the back of the card etc. If the decision is being made to decrease costs and make things easier for signers, that is perfectly understandable, but please just say so up front.
That said, I think sticker autos are ugly and I do not want to waste my money on ugly cards. If Inkworks can design an attractive sticker that does not limit signing space, more power to them; I'll believe it when I see it. I doubt that I'll stop buying Inkworks cards altogether, but my purchases will be limited to base sets and lower-level chase. This is disappointing to me as Inkworks was the company who got me back into the hobby after several years of not collecting, but I don't feel the need to "prove" my devotion to the hobby or the shows the card sets are based on by purchasing merchandise which is poorly designed or downright ugly. |
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I'm looking forward to the inkworks Dr Who, Lost etc.. and will be collecting the autographs that I want Sticker or not. I am sure that inkworks will do the sticker autograph as well as they do all of their card sets.
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For me personally, it is not the look of the sticker. I have three main problems with stickers: 1) Uncontrollable use. Say for instance they get Jensen Ackles to sign 500, they could put 400 in Connections then the other 100 in Season 3, we could start seeing riduclous Topps-like odd's just because they want to clear their stock of stickers and "sell" the set. There is also no stop to slapping a sticker on limited "dual" cards, or like I mentioned earlier regular piecework cards. 2) It makes a card manufacturor look lazy, and therefore the actual set that uses the stickers loses its sentimentality. Previous autograph cards give you that connection to the person that signed, they held the card and signed it. 3) If the stickers are Topps sized, or just a tad bit bigger, then NO MORE VARIANTS! The only variant you could hope for is a lobsided sticker, but then thats another reason I hate stickers, lol! Edit: I just wanted to add that Inkworks has always been my favorite card company, I think tahts why I'm taking this to heart, and I can't fault their customer service. However, I'm not going to sit back and say "I support this as they are a great company", in this world you have to speak out against things you feel strongly about otherwise nothing will ever change. ____________________ "You can't unfry things, Jerri. You can't be something you're not." - Chuck Noblet |
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____________________ I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! |
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____________________ I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! |
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THAT is precisely why there's been this massive outcry, hullabaloo, etc. over this whole issue, because Inkworks is many collectors' favorite company(or one of them). I think we've come to expect more from them(and a couple of others) than other companies, as their customer service and commitment to nonsport trading cards is top notch. We have, unfortunately, gotten used to getting less than stellar releases and responses from certain other companies, and therefore are not surprised too much when they put out a less than stellar product. But I agree with what Kennywood said earlier, I feel like I've been kicked in the gut by this. ____________________ Anne Welles - "You've got to climb Mount Everest to reach the Valley of the Dolls." |
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Still no comments from Inkworks ...
Alan where are you ???? |
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Actually, you will find Inkworks has already responded on this thread on page 5. |
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I don't like stickers, but will buy an auto if that's the only way I can get an authenticated one for a particular entertainer. However, here's another example of the drawbacks of stickers. I won this Donruss Americana Vince Neil auto/memorabilia card.
 Even though the signature isn't very good, something else just didn't look right (other than the slightly lopsided placement of the sticker). Then it hit me.  Neil has a vertical signature and since it couldn't really fit on the Donruss sticker, he turned the stickers sideways and signed them. Of course, no one at Donruss bothered to look at the signature closely enough to realize there was a problem. Neil also signed for the Upper Deck Spectrum of Stars set. Either someone told him how to sign the stickers or he (or his assistant) figured it out, because those were signed correctly (albeit a bit cramped).  Is it unusual for someone to have a vertical signature? Yes, but if Donruss had done a little research, the problem could have been avoided. As for Inkworks, a large sticker could accommodate different writing styles and leave room for the little extras, like small doodles. |
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I still dont believe that examples from OTHER companies are valid!
Inkworks, IMO, design and produce the BEST looking cards around on the market. Whether its props or autos I still have faith that they will design the cards that will allow MOST collectors to still be happy, regardless of the new auto design. Did anyone think of positive ideas that could come out of this? Perhaps Inkworks is going to cut the top of the card out, kinda like a costume card, but with the auto with edges of the stickers showing? What would happen if RHA did this, I'm thinking that you could kiss the hobby goodbye if more than Topps and Inkworks starting joining in! Makes me laugh a change so small causes all this hassle. No wonder Inkworks is saying very little! |
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Of course those examples are valid. They are indicative of problems that Inkworks could have with their stickers. Let's hope they're able to avoid the pitfalls.
It isn't a small change. It's a major change, especially for a company that publicly stated it wouldn't go this route. I'm extremely disappointed with the decision. |
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Shiny puffy pony ones, scratch and sniff ones. Just not loving my autograph on one. Then again, I'm a sketch girl at heart so I'll be the least affected unless they start putting sketches on stickers. But...that would be just weird. 
Please don't give anyone ideas. 