I personally like them... they somehow look more "official" to me - and shiny to boot. Me likey shiny.

I'm sure Inkworks are more than familiar with the phrase "You win some, you lose some."

Oh... my... god! Having seen the image on the Inkworks website I can not believe that ANYONE can find that card attractive. I like to think I have a flair when it comes to design, so when something makes me sick to look at I know there is a problem.

Not only is the design nothing like an Inkworks autograph card, it just screams "Topps look-a-like" sticker autograph card that they said they would never do.

Thanks a lot Inkworks, if this is how you reward those that have supported you from the start, I am very very disappointed.

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Originally posted by CaptainMal:

Not only is the design nothing like an Inkworks autograph card, it just screams "Topps look-a-like" sticker autograph card that they said they would never do.

As much as I hate sticker autographs the Topps auto stickers look a thousand times better then the Inkworks autograph sticker. Like I said and a few others said in previous posts, the background is so noisey on the Inkworks sticker it takes away from the autograph. The first thing on the card you notice isn't the autograph it's the diagonal Inkworks lettering on the sticker. You can barely see Duchovny's signature on it.

The thing that ticks me off so much is the purpose of collecting autographs is to see your favorite stars signature clearly and with the new stickers you can't. It reminds me of snow interference on tv, you can see and hear the show but you don't enjoy it through all that distraction.

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Originally posted by Rabbit:

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Originally posted by CaptainMal:

Not only is the design nothing like an Inkworks autograph card, it just screams "Topps look-a-like" sticker autograph card that they said they would never do.

As much as I hate sticker autographs the Topps auto stickers look a thousand times better then the Inkworks autograph sticker. Like I said and a few others said in previous posts, the background is so noisey on the Inkworks sticker it takes away from the autograph. The first thing on the card you notice isn't the autograph it's the diagonal Inkworks lettering on the sticker. You can barely see Duchovny's signature on it.

The thing that ticks me off so much is the purpose of collecting autographs is to see your favorite stars signature clearly and with the new stickers you can't. It reminds me of snow interference on tv, you can see and hear the show but you don't enjoy it through all that distraction.

I hadn't seen the X-Files cards until now. I think it's time I sent Inkworks an email expressing my feelings behind this change.

Rather than keep going around in circles, I think I will reserve judgment for until I have one in hand. There is only so much you can say about a product without actually having it hand.

A scan (and it's worth noting that these are not great scans by any means) cannot give you a true representation of the card.

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No matter what, someone is always going to have something to complain about. I remember one of the original arguments was the design - people were afraid it would look like a sticker was just slapped on to a card. But as you can see, the design was made specifically for the stickers, and I think they look nice. Another argument was the size, saying that people wouldn't have enough room to sign. But clearly Alona Tal can fit her entire signature (both parts) and a heart, so the size can't be that bad. A lot of people have complained about the hologram, but let me tell you, when I scan a Topps auto in my computer, it looks just like that. The scanner picks up everything very clearly, but that doesn't mean that the hologram is actually that clear in person. I just really don't see what the big deal is, Inkworks did the best they could with the decision they made, and they're not going to change their minds about it just to appease the people that don't like change. I just can't believe there's seventeen pages of people doing nothing but whine about this whole thing, about a company who has BY FAR the best customer service of every card company out there, and who has continually provided beautiful cards for collectors for years.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you feel strongly, please go ahead and send an email or letter to Inkworks to let us know your thoughts.

However, I encourage you to take a look at the actual cards when they are available before deciding that you can or can't see the autograph or that the background printing is too dark. The look of holographic foil isn't easy to accurately capture in a scan or photo. We probably could have provided an image with a label background that looks completely clear of type, but then there would be those who would be surprised at the ghosted background print when they got the card.

After you see the real thing, you still might not like it, but at least you'll be commenting on it rather than an image posted on a website.

Thanks for your reply Andy. I have a few questions and I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, these are serious questions if you could answer them.

What kind of security issues have arisen that made it necessary to change over to the new auto cards? Since I have been on this board I have never heard of autograph frauds, I think I remember hearing about some sketch card frauds and that's about it.

Why couldn't the security feature be put in the back of the card so as to not interfere with the autograph?

And would writing an e-mail make a difference in regards to the new autograph cards or would it be a waste of my time?

I'm being totally honest here, I love the old Inkworks cards. I was happy as a pig in slop with your Lost series as you probably read in the Lost thread. Like I said before I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm a fan who feels like the Beatles just broke up with this news. I've pre-ordered a case of Journey to the Center of the Earth and right now that will be my last purchase from Inkworks, because I will not spend lots of money on a product that's not visual pleasing to me.

I promise if you answer my questions, no matter how you answer them, I will respect your point of view. Maybe if the answers are satisfing and I can see it from Inkworks view I may look to ordering your cards in the future. TIA!

Thats what I said way back on page 12 Andy
"Well I have read most of the posts , and in good old fashioned Cardtalk style, Inkworks and Uncle Allan has upset a few of you, Tried convicted and sentanced, before you have even seen the product, Inkworks has always been very good to all of you, with customer service and all the Internet promos, and always convention promo's, well I really hope you tell Uncie Allan to his face, he deserves that surely, and once you tell him REMEMBER not to take any promos or sell sheets from him, At least see the product before the lethal injection goes in"

Rabbit
There are no auto's in JTTCOTE
They are pieceworks so how will you be able to judge ?

I guess I will never see one of these in person, unless I'm at a show, as I refuse to buy an autographed sticker. However, I can clearly see the overall design of the actual cards (both X-files & Supernatural) and it is extremely poor. Keeping to the old design and slabbing a sticker on would of looked much more nicer, and consistant with past releases. I dread to think what Supernatural Season 3 is going to look like

I wish I was one of those people that could just go with the flow and accept really bad decisions, but I'm not. I am not a sheep and never will be, if I don't like something then I will speak out. I knew from day one that these stickers were a bad idea, I didn't have to see any examples of the cards, it's just obvious that stickers = ugly looking cards.

The thing that grates me so much is the poor excuse for the stickers. I would also like to know more about these security breaches, I have never seen a fake Inkworks card mentioned on this board. Topps had a problem because they had no watermark, Inkworks seems to be coping perfectly fine with their foil stamp.

After the announcement of the 10-case incentive card, it is clear that Inkworks are feeling the strain financially and are trying to make it work as a business. But there are better ways to do this (scrap "filler" autographs and make the decent ones collectable again, for example), and ways that won't alienate collectors such as myself from buying their future products.

Like I have pointed out before, Inkworks customer service is flawless and is yet to be beaten. But that shouldn't stop us from voicing our opinions. Up until now Inkworks has been a very collector friendly company, but over the recent months they have made a couple of changes that alienate a lot of us. If we fail to speak out then we will keep getting walked all over until the day boxes will be filled with sawdust and you'd be lucky to pull a base card

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Rabbit
There are no auto's in JTTCOTE
They are pieceworks so how will you be able to judge ?

I knew before hand that JTTCOTE didn't have the new autographs, that's why I choose to buy it. I'd rather have no autographs and just stick to the pieceworks.

And I'm in the same boat as CaptainMal, I'm not buying a case, box or a single autograph to see what they look like. There are no shows and there are no stores that carry nonsport cards where I am. I buy from one of the stores in the retailer advertising forum. I'm pretty sure I can guage what the cards will look like from the scanned versions. I've seen holographic backgrounds before, so unless you look at the card in the dark, the card background will flash the Inkworks logo behind the autograph.

Well said CaptainMal. I think it'd be a very boring place if everyone had the same opinion, or refrained from voicing their disappointment for whatever reason (I can't really think of a reason why they couldn't, even if the disappointment is directed at a company with great customer service). Ultimately it comes down to your hard-earned money and what you're willing to spend it on.

I will be buying Inkworks products in future, however I don't begrudge anyone elses decision not to. Hate to see what the world would be like today if people didn't complain about products in general.

i think you will find that in a very short period of time many people will and have stopped contibuting to this forum. I declare it should be changed from CardTalk to CARDMOAN as frankly comments like ''I'm not buying a case, box or a single autograph to see what they look like'' just goes to show why its better to give no info or images to anyone because it prejudges the outcome of what you may buy, oh i forgot, we cant do that as customers need that info to buy.

Completely agree with JTH, on this one, and as ive said before lots of grandstanding going on with many of these posts, and before you attack me by saying, i can say what i like etc etc. You can, but a little thought and rational should go into writing something - because saying the jist of comments like - im selling my collection or im stopping buying because of this Inkworks sticker situation makes many of us reading these posts laugh.

Andy came on to politely advise you to reserve judgement until the cards get out, and then you hit him with 3 questions that he wont and shouldnt answer, and its like pretty please answer my question and then i will respect you. Well respect goes to them for not answering the questions, and pandering to a small, vocal minority who feel thier voices should be heard.

I completely respect peoples opinions to dislike stickers, i dislike many TV programmes, i dont watch them as in the same way i dont have to buy the product, but im sure i will be told that analogy doesnt work etc etc etc

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Originally posted by Rabbit:

I promise if you answer my questions, no matter how you answer them, I will respect your point of view. Maybe if the answers are satisfing and I can see it from Inkworks view I may look to ordering your cards in the future. TIA!

I'm sorry that has to be one of the most arrogant statements ever - The answer to all of inkworks ills - answer your questions and you'll forgive them, and you MIGHT carry on buying from them!!!! If you have questions WRITE to inkworks expressing your feelings and wait for a reply and then make your judgement, don't expect to have a public "showdown".

Anybody can write to a card company and ask questions - using a public forum is just Lazy. If you have issues and want to express them WRITE.

The intolerance to personal opinions and the personal animosity toward other members are two of the reasons I don't post here as often as I once did. We used to be able to debate an issue without things turning personal. I've simply grown weary of this sort of nonsense.

There are two schools of thought regarding this topic; those who dislike stickers and those who do not. Those of us who dislike stickers most likely won't enjoy any type of sticker design as it's the notion of stickers in general we dislike. Those who don't mind stickers will probably enjoy collecting the cards no matter what the design.

As long as products with stickers continue to sell, no card company will have a reason to stop cards with stickers. Since most of the popular sets tend to sell out, we might as well get used to the idea that some companies will use stickers and some will not. It's up to us as collectors to decide what products we'll support.

I have to admit I am amazed at Hammer and Darren, they really seem to want to make this personal. I have stated from the begining that I have the utmost respect for Andy and for Inkworks. I thinks it's cool that a member from the company comes on to the discussion board. Everyone pro or con have stated time and time again that nobody does better customer service then Inkworks. This isn't a personal vendetta against the people or the company. I'd agree with you two if I had stated " I'm going to turn everyone against Inkworks and get them to stop buying their products in protest, blah, blah, blah".

Darren please tell me where in my post I ordered Andy to answer my questions? What direct command or intimadation did I use to force him to answer my questions. All these questions are based on Inkworks statements. And for Hammer let's take that first incredibly harsh question I posed. If I was told that Inkworks had to make the change in order to get celebrities to sign their cards because of celebrities concern over forgeries, I would buy their cards because that would be something out of Inkworks control, even though I don't like the new auto's. Don't presume to know how I would react to a certain statement, that is the epitome of arrogance.

I'm not going to write or telephone Inkworks because they are busy people, the reason I used this forum to ask a few questions is because Andy can if he wishes to answer them or not. Maybe you two should attack Jane who said, she was going to tell Andy the next time she sees him what she thinks about the new autographs. What an arrogant evil woman she is according to your standards.

Also my comment about "I'm not buying a case, box or a single autograph to see what they look like" was in response to John the Hats question about JTTCOTE. I was replying that I knew there would be no auto's in that collection, and that it would be tough since I won't be purchasing the product. I hope John the Hat didn't think I was trying to be mean, I was just trying to clarify.

And lastly I had to laugh at Darren's final remarks about "being told the analagy doesn't work", if memory serves me right your the only poster that attacks (mostly mine) peoples analagy's. I've never said a harsh word or attacked a poster personally like you two. Just because I don't agree with Inkworks direction doesn't mean I hate them. Stop trying to make mountains out of mole hills.

I appologize to the moderators, they don't like these kind of discussions, but I'm not going to let myself be bullied by those comments.

I may of missed this somewhere on this post but has anyone information in relation to how the sticker hologram last. As stated these have been the norm in the Sports Card Scene for sometime. It appears to me that if they are merely stuck on the card there is always the possibility that the auto/sticker will just peel away.

I like this forum as it is very informative to the average collector but I'm dismayed at times how personal it can get.

We surely have the right to convey our concerns (or delight) at the product companies are producing in our chosen Hobby. Not forgetting some of us spend quite considerable amounts at times.

My personal view on Sticker Autographs is "NO", but I can the obvious benefits to the Card Companies.

I think this thread has outlived its usefullness (well, probably ages ago). I think everything that can possibly be said on the Inkworks stickered autograph card subject has been said good and bad, and then some. Time to close this one and move on.