Originally posted by TheMetatrOn:
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Originally posted by jadams:
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Originally posted by Ryan Cracknell:
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Originally posted by TheMetatrOn:
I agree with you, a lot of people on this forum don't understand the BS that Upper Deck has pulled in the sports card world for the last 10+ years. They could have easily made the Thor autos in this set a redemption in the Thor set, and then saved some of the stickers and made the same autos from the same people on Avengers stock in this set. Pretty simple solution. But they didn't get enough pre sales of Thor and Captain America, so they decided not to include them which is an insult to the people who DID spend their money on Thor and Captain America.
Also I want to clarify, this is mostly about Thor. The captain america autograph included in this set I agree would not have made that set any stronger. The manufactured patches in that set are a joke. However the 4 Thor autographs, had they been included, would have made that set a homerun.
You seem to be under the assumption that UD knew they were going to be getting the Thor autographs for certain. And what if they didn't ever show up, despite commitments. Then they'd be evil all over again. It's not as simple a solution as you think.
Do you know for a fact that they chose to hold back the autographs because of low pre-sales? Getting a commitment from someone to sign and actually getting the signatures are two totally different things. And while I do remember seeing Dennings' name pop up briefly on an unofficial list, none of the others now in Avengers were. So I don't see how that's misleading to anyone. In fact, it's the opposite. Was the final lineup for Thor and Captain America disappointing. Yes - I'd agree with that. But it delivered what they advertised, which is a totally different thing.
And you're right, UD has been far from perfect over the years. Far from perfect. So now they're trying to make up for it by making an effort to avoid something that everyone complains about - redemptions - and they still take heat. They load up a product with three times the hits they promise, and they still take heat.
Ryan,
Well said.
I think certain people just need something to ***** about, and UD seems to be to easy target. It would have been the same arguing had the "Thor cardstock" cards been inserted in the Thor set.
I'm sorry but did you actually PURCHASE any of the Thor product or is the only way you are connected with it your stencil "sketches" that you contributed?
I actually spent my money on the set, and now to find out there were autographs that weren't inserted pisses me off and I have every right to complain about it.
In response to Ryan, I follow Jamie Alexander on Twitter and have been since well before Thor came out. She tweeted a photo of herself signing the upper deck sticker sheets saying how she was so excited to get an autographed "baseball card" coming out when the movie does. This was at least 3-4 months before the set released. So yeah, unless she/her agent didn't get back those stickers to UD in the couple months between the photo and the release date, then Upper Deck had them in house, and just decided not to use them. She even told people on twitter to send her their base cards and she would sign them for free since her autograph card didn't make it into the product. Can't speak for Dennings Elba or Colm but something tells me that Upper Deck had them in house and just decided not to include them. Pre orders on both sets were horrible. That is why the manufactured patches were added to captain america, the pre orders on that were about 40% of what thor was, and thor wasn't that great for them either. Also 3 times the hits? From the time I ordered I was told there would be 3 hits per box. A sketch, a single or dual costume, and a triple/quad/printing plate as the third hit. The only place that it seems like they added more value was the autographs, as they seem to fall 1 per 6 box case and the comic cuts are just a bonus if you pull one. I pre ordered based on the 3 hits per box that they said would happen, and that is what happened. I don't know where you get 3x the hits from...
Also again going back to the sports card market that Upper Deck has been in for years now, they put redemptions into every single product they have ever released, and MANY MANY times they do not come through. I had a redemption pending for TWO YEARS before they finally sent me a replacement. They had contracts with those actors, so they could have easily inserted redemptions for them into Thor, and kept half the stickers for this release and still had the same amount of signers as they do now.
In response to Chuck, no, I don't think Dennings or Alexander will appear in Avengers, but it is possible. I know for a fact some of the people on the costume cards will NOT be in Avengers. They are just using up costumes from IM2 Thor and Captain America to make new costume cards.
