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Since you left negative feedback, I will be checking feedback a bit more when I bid on autographs  ____________________ Trade list (mostly DC, LOTR, Stargate) Sketches for trade: DC, Marvel, LOTR and other |
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I paid $275 total for it shipped.
I just got an answer through e-mail from the seller. "The Card is in no way fake it was sold to me by a friend who attended a convention. He got 3 Cards for me. I've keeped one and sold two others. Can you wait until I investigate this myself with who I bought the Cards from?" I am sorry, but I do not buy that for a second. Why is it whenever a card comes into question it is always a FRIEND who bought it at a convention or flea market. I have heard this excuse way to many times. I questioned in my reply why the pictures for both of his sold Pine autographs were the same, and why he lists his address as in the US with ebay, but shipped the card from Ireland. This guy may not be a card collector or anything, but I took one look at the card and knew something was up. The signature is clearly a printed on, and not signed with a marker This message has been edited. Last edited by: Chris Wrenn, |
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I've heard there are fake Gillian Anderson autos from the Connections set. I'd never heard about this until recently, so perhaps Inkworks reason to change to stickers last year was more about security reasons.
Kind of makes you only want to pull autos from the packs. |
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There were a number of suspected fake cards sold by a seller several months ago (and likely for longer than that), a list of some of the cards, with photos that the guy sold (Inkworks included) is in a July post on my blog.
Jon ____________________ Webjon.com is back -- blogified! And now featuring trade lists! |
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I've noticed a few sellers selling Chris Pine autographs over and over and over again. About 6 or 7 over the course of 2 weeks. No other Trek cards, just Chris Pine. And I have also noticed the other fakes that were mentioned. A few months back I've seen a few different user names (but I believe they are all the same person) selling multiples of Batman Begins Holmes, Spider-Man Tobey, Daredevil Affleck, CATCF Depp, Dark Angel Alba, Wild West Hayek, Tomb Raider Jolie, just to name a few. Some were BGS graded, some were ungraded but when I looked closer at the scans I could tell they all had the same exact autograph. Not a single stroke was different. One week they would all be BGS graded and all sell, a couple weeks later they would all be ungraded and sell again. When I compared the autographs of the BGS graded ones to their ungraded counterparts the signatures were an exact match. I then knew something was up and so I avoided all their auctions. And sadly I will never buy most of these cards now because God only knows how many of these fakes are circulating around out there, graded and ungraded. They must be very high quality fakes to fool so many people including the grading companies. Sorry for such a pessimistic post but I believe this has become a HUGE problem.
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I know the exact seller you are referring to and I avoided their auctions as well. I was the high bidder on a couple but lost in the last minute, and looking back I am very happy for that.
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Another great advert for the merits of grading! |
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RA should get all over this...so should ebay since they have all those recent issues with copyrights on Marvel (Disney) sketches being taken off.
It seems like we are getting closer to the point that people stop using auction sites for the really high end cards which is bad for dealers. I've stopped using it and go directly to dealers for higher cards. ____________________ _____ I exchange paper with ink on it for cardboard with ink on it. |
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First of all to the person who said it's a good argument for grading I would strongly disagrees, I have yet to find a truly reputable grading service, and a little research will show you that they all have some major issues, what it is an argument for however is autographed stickers, as much as many (myself included btw) dislikes them the DO stop this sort of forgery. Why do you think it's predominately RH who's cards are faked? because in many ways they are easy to fake and profitable to do so. If someone could email the seller or item link I would be very grateful this is the third such incident that I have seen and I am trying to track it back to one European source. If my email is not in my profile then you can use jason@bt.blackberry.com
I am really sorry this happened to you it's a nice card and it sucks that you have been ripped off. _________ www.Cult-Stuff.com |
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I think the grading comment was sarcasm. The cards were being sold graded even though they were fake...meaning the graders have no clue what they are doing.
I did not want to be the one to bring up autograph stickers, but it is the truth. They stop forgeries. People can complain about them all they want, but I guarantee you the second you are ripped off for $300 on an autograph card that could have been prevented with a sticker, you might change your mind. If stickers is not the way to go, they maybe need to add some sort of foil holomark somewhere on the card. |
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You see this is what happens when you are male and try to multi task! I totally misread the comment about grading and came to completely the wrong conclusions. Thats what happens when you are reading the forum while packing every thing from a three bedroom house into a 20foot shipping container lol
My apolagies to the poster of that comment I will only post once I have REALLY read the comment next time. Even holographic sticker holomarks are easy to copy, you only need to look at the massive number of fake yugioh cards that have holo stickers in the right place. The stickers on auto cards are lot harder to forge however. Another good option is to use mechanical card numbering for all limited card ala artbox costumes and props. It makes them harder to copy but increases production cost so don't expect to see it. Stickers will do the same thing and they reduce production cost overall, and stop lost or damaged cards. |
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I checked on ebay and saw a suspicious Chris Pine at BIN 300$. I think that most fake cards are sold by members that have low feeback stars. Of course it is possible to hack a high rated account, but as general guideline, it can help to identify them. I'm quite surprise that 'graders' are unable to detect a fake card as if you put the card to a light source, you will see the ink shine and reflect light, unless they 're-ink' it, but well..., that's quite sad. It's better to buy from a reliable seller or a known trusted dealer when it comes to high priced cards. Thanks for your input Chris.
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I was under the impression that all the yugioh fakes were produced by upper deck themselves (or at least on their equipment under their nose) and that is why konami pulled their license. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.) This whole thing is bothersome, My heart goes out to all that have been duped. I understand Rittenhouse's take on the hard signed autos (if I collected autos, I would want hard signed cards) but to not have any security features on them seems quite foolish. It's not like forging auto cards is a new concept. |
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I think this whole thing is a crushing blow to non-sport. I was a big fan of Steve Irwin and have followed his (and his wife's) autograph cards on eBay over the last few years. I'm seeing fakes of those now too. Now recently with the Pine autograph, which I was planning on buying one day and now never will. I believe the companies have no choice but to change the way the make these cards. Some kind of marking/serial #/sticker/hologram has to be added to insure authenticity. This problem is much more widespread than most would care to admit. I mean seriously, if you can't trust in the authenticity of these cards then who's going to be willing to shell out hundreds of dollars for them? How do we know that dealers have not unknowingly bought a few of these fakes that are floating around? Am I to assume that all dealers get their cards pack pulled? These are difficult things to think about and frankly if I am trying to enjoy a hobby I shouldn't have to think about. It will sink the hobby if some extra measures of security are not taken.
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I personally am pro sticker, especially after this, however the Sports companies use a clear sticker that is MUCH MUCH nicer to look at, and can be incorporated into the card much easier than the silver foil stickers. I suggest some of the sticker haters check those out. I also think numbering definitely adds another level of security.
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I went to a con a few years ago and wanted to get an autographed card and a person working there said if I give him the card, the guest would sign it. I did so, and saw the person go around a corner and autograph it himself. I ripped up the card and threw it at him and warned others of this. He was told to leave the con and never work there again.( Not an e-bay item).
This message has been edited. Last edited by: Mister E., ____________________ Be true to yourself, And collect NS cards/promos. |
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I'm not at all surprised. I have seen some awful looking forged signatures in slabs and I laugh because you can't tell people they are bad even when you try. They say "Look, its graded, that means it must be authentic". No it doesn't. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and you can't make a bad signature good because it compares well to another bad signature. For a long time no graders would guarantee the signature on an autographed card, not even when it was a certified autograph card. They would only grade the condition of the actual card. As the fad slowed down and fees dried up certain services started to try to do the signatures too, even on non-certified items like index cards and photos. Trouble is, this is a really tough thing to do and the so-called "experts" were using reference books and best guesses. I have seen too many questionable signatures slabbed to have any faith in any of companies. The slabbing even makes it harder to get a good look and hinders detection of rubber stamps and the like. |
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this change my perception of grading compagnies. If they can't even detect easy counterfeits, I'm wondering if they are really inspecting the card..or just check it a few spit second and go on the next one. If forged cards are in slabs, it means at some point we don't get the service we buy;(
I'm sure if one inspect a counterfeit very carefully, he can tell the difference |
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Grading companies are a joke IMO. I've been through some "10's" and they were lucky that they were really a 7 or 8. It's a volume game from what I've seen. If you submit a ton of cards your going to get a better grade back than a person that sends in 1 or 2 cards. |
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Hiya Guys
New to the site, this thread for me is kinda disturbing cause now I am thinking of going through all my autos for possible fakes. But anyway, I recently purchased a HUGH JACKMAN auto of wolverine. The price was not so bad and it is still in the completed listing on ebay. My pont is that the seller has sold 12 or so wolverine autos based on his feedback. Though he has exceptional feedback, does anybody have any ide how to spot fake cards or has an opinion on how a seller can have 12 of the same Jackam autos? |
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