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I asked him and another dealer about the Upper Deck Bond set, and both told me that they wouldn't touch it, as they didn't know what the set involved, what there was in terms of chase, autos, etc. and they were afraid that putting together a master set would be too daunting

So I guess I will pass on the UD Bond, as I am not going to chase it down, piece by piece.


So I'm not posting in threads about UD products anymore, since I seem to be saying the same things over and over and they are not changing, just pushing it farther with every new product. However I can comment if a UD product comes up in other subjects, so wolfie, you can still hold me to it, but not here. Big Grin

I can see where it's tough on Bond collectors. You have to welcome the fact that someone is continuing Bond cards and I'm happy for the chance at getting more autographs, but a master UD Bond set really does seem impossible given its size.

There are 2 guaranteed autographs per box, which is very unlike UD and very much in line with RA's old model. Yet this is supposed to drop soon and no one knows who the signers are or what to expect for any numbers. And you have the whole e-Pack release that everyone knows will follow and at least some collectors are more interested in doing that than boxes/cases.

So I think there is just too much uncertainty for dealers to want to make too many promises or even know how much they want to stock themselves. That said, it would be great if you yourself could keep up at least the autograph list, since you have all the others except the cut. I would like to see new signers missed from the last 2 movies and more autographs from all the Bond actors and the popular ladies.

I'm sure there has to be some good opportunities for desirable cards in any future UD products. How deep old Bond collectors can go into it is TBD.
 
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Since Denise Richards is being mentioned as a top autograph pick, can someone tell me what is up with her 1999 Inkworks' World Is Not Enough card?
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There were only six autographs in the Inkworks set, I seem to remember getting one in every two boxes I bought. None seemed to be particularly rarer than others, so it's just the case that there are a lot of these autographs out in the market.

By the time she signed for Rittenhouse, she signed much fewer cards per release. A similar story with the Judi Dench card.
 
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I guess my concern on the Upper Deck Bond, is that if I decided to pursue it, some dealer will tell me that there are autos or signed relics that that are limited to 5 or 10 or 20 in existence, and that obviously he can't get those for me. That would be a major turn off, as RA never did that with Bond !

I looked at the checklists for recent UD sets like Defenders, and other Marvel stuff, and there must be 10 levels of chase per set, none of it remotely easy to put together.
 
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Since Denise Richards is being mentioned as a top autograph pick, can someone tell me what is up with her 1999 Inkworks' World Is Not Enough card?
The Inkworks' autograph card looks to be going under $50
So does anyone know why the Richards is showing up now and selling for so very little?



I'm amazed it is going for that much. The 6 autograph cards in that set were all by redemption which meant all the cards were in the Inkworks warehouse sale. Nobody knows how many of the cards there are but it would appear that loads would not be far from the truth. The only auto from that set that we know is scarce is the Desmond Llewelyn as he was very ill at the time and did not sign many of the cards sent to him.

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Originally posted by Raven:
Since Denise Richards is being mentioned as a top autograph pick, can someone tell me what is up with her 1999 Inkworks' World Is Not Enough card?
The Inkworks' autograph card looks to be going under $50
So does anyone know why the Richards is showing up now and selling for so very little?



I'm amazed it is going for that much. The 6 autograph cards in that set were all by redemption which meant all the cards were in the Inkworks warehouse sale. Nobody knows how many of the cards there are but it would appear that loads would not be far from the truth. The only auto from that set that we know is scarce is the Desmond Llewelyn as he was very ill at the time and did not sign many of the cards sent to him.


The reason why I found it so strange is because there usually is a symbiotic relationship between autograph cards done by the same signer and certainly within the same title. I haven't been looking for Richards' cards and these seem available in the UK, so I didn't realize that her Inkworks' autos are trading as low as $31 just in the past couple of months.

Regardless of the fact that they may have been seriously overproduced, I'm still really surprised. You have a limited RA auto card at say $350. Then you have the same certified autograph, on an official card from Inkworks in the same title, and it's hundreds of dollars less? That's too much of a difference. The Inkworks' cards should have increased since the close out. So they won't be near to her best RA card, but never only $31.

And why are most of the really cheap sold cards coming out of the UK anyway? The Inkworks' liquidation sent the relics to a UK dealer, I thought all autos went to Razor and got sold in their Ink Vault boxes. These TWINE autos weren't in any of the Razor boxes. I bought enough of them to know. Big Grin

It's just weird, which just shows that you can't figure it out even when you think you can. Wink
 
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Regardless of the fact that they may have been seriously overproduced, I'm still really surprised. You have a limited RA auto card at say $350. Then you have the same certified autograph, on an official card from Inkworks in the same title, and it's hundreds of dollars less? That's too much of a difference. The Inkworks' cards should have increased since the close out. So they won't be near to her best RA card, but never only $31.
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As wolfie says, all the remaining autograph cards are out there somehow. There are none hiding in sealed boxes, only redemption cards are in those. There must have been well over 500 of each autograph card, probably nearer 1000 since there were 9000 boxes. When Rittenhouse do those numbers of autographs now, they usually go for only a few dollars.

The Desmond Llewelyn card was rare as he did not sign a large amount of his cards before he sadly died in a car crash.
 
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Originally posted by Raven:
Since Denise Richards is being mentioned as a top autograph pick, can someone tell me what is up with her 1999 Inkworks' World Is Not Enough card?
The Inkworks' autograph card looks to be going under $50
So does anyone know why the Richards is showing up now and selling for so very little?



I'm amazed it is going for that much. The 6 autograph cards in that set were all by redemption which meant all the cards were in the Inkworks warehouse sale. Nobody knows how many of the cards there are but it would appear that loads would not be far from the truth. The only auto from that set that we know is scarce is the Desmond Llewelyn as he was very ill at the time and did not sign many of the cards sent to him.


The reason why I found it so strange is because there usually is a symbiotic relationship between autograph cards done by the same signer and certainly within the same title. I haven't been looking for Richards' cards and these seem available in the UK, so I didn't realize that her Inkworks' autos are trading as low as $31 just in the past couple of months.

Regardless of the fact that they may have been seriously overproduced, I'm still really surprised. You have a limited RA auto card at say $350. Then you have the same certified autograph, on an official card from Inkworks in the same title, and it's hundreds of dollars less? That's too much of a difference. The Inkworks' cards should have increased since the close out. So they won't be near to her best RA card, but never only $31.

And why are most of the really cheap sold cards coming out of the UK anyway? The Inkworks' liquidation sent the relics to a UK dealer, I thought all autos went to Razor and got sold in their Ink Vault boxes. These TWINE autos weren't in any of the Razor boxes. I bought enough of them to know. Big Grin

It's just weird, which just shows that you can't figure it out even when you think you can. Wink


As you have said many times, and many other collectors have the same approach, for you it is about having a certified signature on any trading card title, rather than a specific autograph card. I don't think that is the case for a lot of collectors.

In recent completed sales, why did one Bond John Rhys-Davies full bleed sell for $17.50 and another different full bleed for $280? The latter was a 15-case incentive. For some it is literally all about the card. Maybe the different image used was a factor too?


For the TWINE Richards selling low there are 2 main factors (3 for me):

Firstly, as wolfie & WOMBLE have said, there are A LOT of them. All autos from that set were redemption (so in the inkworks 'warehouse'). When they lost the Bond licence I asked them what they did with any remaining cards and they told me they were contracted to destroy them. Well, we found out when they liquidated their remaining inventory that was BS.

This particular UK dealer selling them low bought a good chunk of the inkworks stock and has been tricking these Bond autos out for 6 odd years. There is no reason to bid hard on these cards when you'll have another shot at a 99c auction a week or too later.
All the Rittenhouse Richards cards are MUCH rarer, and as a collectable that clearly adds to the asking price. Some people like stuff more just because it is rare too.

Secondly, even though I really like the look of these TWINE autos myself, I'd say the Rittenhouse designs are stronger and there is a far more passionate fan base chasing them. Collectors are clearly prepared to pay a lot more for nicely designed cards that they need to complete a really deep and impressive autograph series.

Finally, since the RA Richards came out I have had doubts about the authenticity of the inkworks cards. I am NOT saying the autographs are fake, because signatures can change over time but there are few similarities. The 's' in Denise is nearly identical to what is on the RA card but beyond that it is a complete overhaul of her written style.
 
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As you have said many times, and many other collectors have the same approach, for you it is about having a certified signature on any trading card title, rather than a specific autograph card. I don't think that is the case for a lot of collectors . . .

Finally, since the RA Richards came out I have had doubts about the authenticity of the inkworks cards. I am NOT saying the autographs are fake, because signatures can change over time but there are few similarities. The 's' in Denise is nearly identical to what is on the RA card but beyond that it is a complete overhaul of her written style.


Yes, you're right, I'm very jaded when it comes to certified autograph card prices. I'm all for the concept of "best" card, but when the best card is unaffordable, I happily settle for the same genuine autograph on a lesser issue. Smile

As for the Richards' signature, no doubt it is different. The Inkworks' card was done prior to 1999, RA came years later. Most of the Inkworks' cards that I have seen in online examples seem to have very broad, black ink strokes. Both the age gap and pen used can contribute to the changes.

Having said that, I would agree with you, they don't match the autograph on the RA cards. Absent any other knowledge, I think you would just have to call them variants.
 
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Since I finally got some free time, I was able to put together a few autographed James Bond displays that I had in the back of my head for a long while.

I decided to do three displays featuring the three original credited EON Blofelds. They're composites of cut signatures and RA relic cards.

Hope you like them.





 
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Blofeld would be proud!
Very nice indeed!
 
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For the TRUE Bond fan.

Looks great!!
 
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