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Silver Card Talk Member |
Maybe we should rename Japan "The Island"
Japan Measures Millions ____________________ Checklist League 2007!!! |
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Tungsten Card Talk Member |
This is not unbelievable, this is common sense and the sooner nations like America and the UK put this into action the better.
Obesity is a major problem and the health care costs for it are spiralling out of control. Most governments are afraid to say so because suggesting that people are fat or overweight is not politically correct and so the problem just escalates and then the allready stretched health service has to deal with it. ____________________ Come, it is time for you to keep your appointment with The Wicker Man. |
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Platinum Card Talk Member |
C'mon wolfie... Most of those people that are being called over weight simply are not over weight! It's ridiculous.  I wonder what the government says about their sumo wrestlers. I bet when it concerns their sports stars the regulations go out the window. |
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Silver Card Talk Member |
Ahhh phase 2 of universal health care.....health dictatorship....kinda like OSHA  Although I can agree that there is an obesity problem, that wasnt my point. Forcing a 33.5 inch waist line as the ultimate sign of health is flat out stupid. If any country is truely interested in such things than a complete physical should be order. It is just cheap for Japan to come out with a tape measure and use that as the standard of health. I can just see me being at 6' 4" (193 cm).....I would be in some serious trouble......  This message has been edited. Last edited by: mykdude, ____________________ Checklist League 2007!!! |
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Not to get on my soapbox but . . .
If you believe in freedom people have a right to be fat. They have a right to smoke. They have a right to eat red meat as often as they please. They have a right not to go a doctor. As long as it breaks no laws and harms no one else people have a right to individual choice even when what they choose may not be the best thing. Using the idea of national health care to modify or dictate personal behavior is one more step towards that Brave New World where Big Brother tells you everything you can and can't do with the excuse that its for your own good. Just suppose someone in power decided that buying non-sport cards was dumb and we all had to become stamp collectors because that sounds smarter. See once you go down the path to set individual behavior to conform with perceived public good you have a Totalitarian State. But I guess everyone will be at their ideal weight anyway. |
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Silver Card Talk Member |
The ever widening gray gap that, for some reason, every one accepts....but never really analyzes. Laws can be invented and if it is a system that "everybody" pays for....harm can always be implied. But I agree with your general point....Huxley would be proud of our current direction.  ____________________ Checklist League 2007!!! |
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Gold Card Talk Member |
I'm obese, I'll admit it.. And I HAD heath insurance for 15 and never had to use it once. I have not been to a doctor or hospital for over 20 years(knock on wood).. It's my choice to eat, it's not my choice to NOT have health care in case I need it.. The fact that I only currently make less the 700 a month and the cheapest insurance I can find is over 300 is why I don't have it.
"Brave New World where Big Brother tells you everything you can and can't do with the excuse that its for your own good." Where have you been the last 8 years? This statement is a great view of what is going on today.. |
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Silver Card Talk Member |
I think on some level, if were gonna embrace this, we need to go full boar with protecting out citizens from making poor decisions that cost our health care companies money...we need to look out for big business and health care.
1. No more not wearing your seatbelt, you get caught without it on, $2000 dollar no haggle instant fine (1000 gbp) 2. No more smoking. you get caught smoking, $2000 instant fine, no haggling. 3. No more Drinking. Get caught in public intoxicated. $5000 fine, 6 months probation and forced alcohol rehabilitation. 4. No more unprotected sex. get caught having it without a reproduction permit, $5000 dollar fine, 1 year in prison, mandatory STD awareness re-education. 5. No more skipping the twice annual doctors visit. Dont come in 2x a year, %5 percent of your annual income per missed visit. habitual offenders will get probation. 6. No more mercury fillings. If you have any, you have 4 years to have them all removed. anyone caught at a dentist with them after the 4 year grace period, forced filling removal/replacement. $1000 dollar fine per filling, 2 months **** hygene re-education. 7. Only 4 servings of red meat in a week. Anyone caught eating more then their ration, 200 dollar fine per serving. habitual offenders get 3 months "fitness sabatical" at goverment sponsered "health retreats". 8. No more illegal drugs...but this time, 10 year instant sentence for conviction of possesion, life for anything greater. 9. Mandatory 30 mins of Daily excersise, done in public in front of your house or infront of your two-way television (we need to be able to make sure your taking care of your self, and in turn guaranteeing to never be a burden to any medical insurance or goverment for a health care issue down the road). Penalty for not complying will be the forcing to wear a designated orange jumper , with the words "im selfish and refuse to do my part" written on the back, 200 dollar fine per missed session. Anyone caught letting not "compelling" their children to follow along with these important safety procedures, will suffer a slinding scale , from first offense fines and re-education camps, to eventual forfeiture of the children to the state (where they can be properly cared for and educated on how to best care for not only them selves, but for their fellow man and the system designed to protect them). Great idea eh! Think about it, that would elimanate any risk of potential financial drains on large insurance companies, OR the federal goverment for thoes uninsured...AND, it will keep you safe from making poor decisions! OH...and maybe we could work out a bounty system, where informing on thoes who are skirting the public saftey orders , gets you rewards. Call them "saftey credits" , the more credits per greater infractions...sound good? ____________________ Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances! |
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Silver Card Talk Member |
 Bravo, I love this! I agree 100%If anyone thinks that all overweight people can help it, obviously has not met anyone who has to take medication that causes weight gain, or who has the "overweight" gene, or even someone who has a disability so they cannot exercise. There are plenty of reasons why people cannot lose weight, do you really think I *want* to be overweight? If I could really help it I think I would. God, the nerve of some people. ____________________ Jessica |
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Platinum Card Talk Member |
3 & 8 sound reasonable... 9 is a tad naughty & kinky. |
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Gold Card Talk Member |
Get your mind out of the gutter, 30 minutes in your mind means I would have to go out and exersise like 15 times  1. The seatbelt thing, it's funny here in PA it's th law that they can pull you over and fine you for NOT wearing a seatbelt but passed a law where you do not have to wear a helmet on a motorcycle 
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Silver Card Talk Member |
no piece meal on this one...i think it should be all or nothing. if were gonna go down this road, then lets go full boar. If were gonna give the choices over to big goverment and the corporations like this, then lets at least maximize the rewards. i know it sucks, cause some of thoes issues might be ones you struggle with, but hey there all costing the health care systems/goverments billions of dollars, every single one of them. In for a penny eh?
____________________ Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances! |
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Gold Card Talk Member |
I love this one as it costs us for years after the birth also AS far as being overweight costing the health care system millions. Again I did not use my insurance while I had it and only went recently for pain in my side where they told me it was my apendix and it was inflamed(they informed me if it ruptures I should go somewhere else since I no longer have insurance).. I know people who are "fit" who have been to the doctor or hospital at least 5 times a year for stupid reasons. And our hospital(which is over 20 miles away) currently has 11 lawsuits against it and their doctors for melpractice which is a huge drain on the medical profession.. I don't think you should go after the people, it's more the insurance companies that are screwing things up telling you what you can and can not have done(even if it's life threatening). Since the doctor screwed up my father his medicine bill has went from 60.00 every THREE months to over 200.00 a month(and that's after switching to generic).. I think they should come up with a CHEAP universal healthcare which you have the option to buy and if you don't then the hospital shouldn't be forced to treat you, If you choose not to have insurance then they should have the choice not to treat you.. |
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Silver Card Talk Member |
I'm sure you think your post is funny, but the reality of the matter is that big business and the health care companies don't need anyone looking out for them they do just fine. The only people who suffer are those of us who every year have to bear the cost of rising premiums. All those items you mention do indeed contribute to rising health care costs and if the behavior of x amount of the population effects the rest of the population, then I don't understand how that can be ignored. While the originally cited example may be extreme the issue is indeed a valid one as Wolfie pointed out. It doesn't take, but a few seconds to do a quick search on the web and you'll find numerous studies and articles confirming this. ____________________ I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! |
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Well, I for one, have never been to the doctor for a 'weight related' issue. I am almost 30 now, and considered obese. I do utilize my insurance, but not for anything related to my weight. I know people say that being obese is costing health care systems, but I don't believe that at all. I know thin people who go to the doctor more than I do.
It's just another way to discriminate. And if you don't think people out there discriminate against large people, you are joking yourself big time. ____________________ Jessica |
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I guess there is another Freedom gone...
I hate it when governments have to get involved with people and everyday life. Governments are too big now and everybody around the world are losing their freedoms slowly. I hope you are joking with your list Zhamlau... But to be honest with you, they way it is going, it will soon be like that all over the world. It is not obese people that are costing the health care systems, it is the people that are on welfare and illegal immigrants, that get freebies from the government. And who is paying for that the taxpayer. |
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Silver Card Talk Member |
/sigh, its scary people have to ask if im joking...Look, we gotta make some decisions as a society, and we gotta get on them fast. What is important to us. Are we gonna be a society where goverments job is to assist the people be individuals who make their own decisions based on freewill, or are we going to be a society where the individual is supplanted and the greater good (financial in this case) outweighs the rights of the individual in their own pursuit of self interest and happiness. Is the state here to serve us, or are we here to serve the state.
All of the examples ive citied, have cause tens of billions of dollars in costs to large insurance companies and to a slightly lesser extent the US goverment. The money spent on caring for children born into unstable/unready homes probably is crushing the costs spent on obesity by the insurance companies in the states (who btw, cover i think 85 percent of the us population). Mercury is about the single most toxic substance on the planet earth to human beings...yet i would venture a guess that nearly 80 percent of the fillings out there, and the vast majority of americans with them, are lined with them, slowly seeping into your body, causing our rates of cancer to boom as it has in the last 30 years. How many illnesses and lost work days come from people who go years, if not decades between doctor visits...that probably would save the health care companies (who ALL THESE LAWS INCLUDING THE FAT ONES are REALLY DESIGNED TO PROTECT) more then enough to cover these costs... So...what do we do about it? Every problem i listed, costs us money. some cost us more then the obseity issue...yet fat people are somehow so evil and vile in peoples eyes, that making regulations to have them supervised and made to obey special dehumanizing (taking of ones freedoms) practices, like chattle. Im saying, thats really messed up...like, thats so not what our country stands for, it sorta makes me sick....THAT if our goal is to keep health care costs down for the insurance agencies (so , in turn, maybe if they feel like it, they will lower our premiums in one of the biggest cash cow industries in the states that consistently turns a profit)...then lets not just target thoes "sub humans" known as fat people...lets not just find an easy to dislike scapegoat...if were going down the road of big brother control...then i say lets not lie about it, lets embrace it...then we will see, as EVERYONE has to cowtow to the state, then we will see how truly awful and unpopular concepts like this one in japan, truly are... ____________________ Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances! |
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Platinum Card Talk Member |
Back to the "fat" issue....
I'm disgusted by what some consider "healthy" and "beautiful." No wonder there are so many screwed up girls out there starving themselves when the fashion world and Hollywood... and now governments are telling them that they need to look like sticks to be considered beautiful. How sick is it that Whitney Thompson America's Next Top Model winner (photo below) is considered a "plus size" model. Where I come from she's a full grown woman and not some half starved boy-bodied skinny girl.    This message has been edited. Last edited by: Redemption, |
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Silver Card Talk Member |
Ahh yes, those terrible people who are on welfare. I guess not one of them is valid, they are all freeloaders. As for those lousy illegal immigrants they're just coming across our border like a tidal wave. They just can't get enough of those jobs as farm laborers, picking crops in 90 degree heat, what a deal. Oh, and let's not forget all those fantastic slaughter house jobs here in sunny North Carolina that no self respecting American wants.  ____________________ I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! |
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