It has always surprised me that the value of a binder exclusive promo is "usually" between $5/$8. Given that the only way to get this is to buy the binder - why is the price so low. Whenever they come on e-bay they usually go for more.

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Originally posted by hammer:
It has always surprised me that the value of a binder exclusive promo is "usually" between $5/$8. Given that the only way to get this is to buy the binder - why is the price so low. Whenever they come on e-bay they usually go for more.

Good question! But there are people who buy binders with special cards included and then sell off the pieces. For shelf-space or other reasons, some of us don't always go for the binder itself, but look for a chance to complete the card set without it. Some people are auto or costume card specialists, and want certain album exclusives and don't care as much about the other stuff.

The price guide is starting to catch up with the price of these promos but some are still too low.
Lets be honest there is no way that any binder promo should sell for less than $10. I certainly would not sell one for less than that.

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Originally posted by wolfman-golf:
Lets be honest there is no way that any binder promo should sell for less than $10.

You are assuming that sellers know that the promo is as limited as the binders - several on e$ay have not seemed to be aware of binder specific autos let alone promos

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Originally posted by hammer:
It has always surprised me that the value of a binder exclusive promo is "usually" between $5/$8. Given that the only way to get this is to buy the binder - why is the price so low. Whenever they come on e-bay they usually go for more.

Just about all of my binder promos have come from eBay. I don't beleive that I have ever paid more than $8.00 including postage. If you have knowledge of actaual sales pass them along through NSU's pricing link. Over time, some do go up in value. Others remain common.

i doubt I have paid more than $5 per binder promo... ever... and I doubt that I would. Especially with RA binders which almost always have an auto, costume or sketch they sell for $40 for the package, or break em up and sell the auto for $20 binder for $20 and make $5 on the promo

Binder promos may say they are exclusive to the binders but are often given out to dealers and collectors as well. They are promos and distributed as such.
As well as being sold by the persons receiving them. There are probably as many of them as any other card from the set's uncut sheet. At least one per sheet. If anything charging $10+ would be overpricing them.
Ace

You forget that you are in America home of the cheap trading cards.

These cards double in price when they get to the UK due to the shipping and import duty costs.

When a Rittenhouse binder can cost £40 in a UK store what does that make the promo worth?

Wolfie... since your costs for the binder ius double, then your cost for the promo would be double too

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Originally posted by Ace of Hearts:
Binder promos may say they are exclusive to the binders but are often given out to dealers and collectors as well. They are promos and distributed as such.

Ace,

Where does your information on the distribution of binder promos come from?

Just curious because I have been a direct retailer for Rittenhouse for 5 years and I have NEVER ONCE received any binder promos outside of binder purchases.

Ed

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Originally posted by Scifi Cards:

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Originally posted by Ace of Hearts:
Binder promos may say they are exclusive to the binders but are often given out to dealers and collectors as well. They are promos and distributed as such.

Ace,

Where does your information on the distribution of binder promos come from?

Just curious because I have been a direct retailer for Rittenhouse for 5 years and I have NEVER ONCE received any binder promos outside of binder purchases.

Ed

I was going to same the same thing. I know many dealers and not one of them were ever given a FREE binder promo.

I would like to know this as well. I've never heard of a manufacturer giving away binder promos willy nilly like this.

We need some proof, man.

I think thats called being put on the spot.

Well Ace you said it so.....................

Willy Nilly is definitely not what I meant. I did not mention any Manufacturer and am not about to. You are safe in defending your company's. But from personal experience I have found almost all exclusives floating around outside of the binders. The only ones that were really difficult to find outside the binder were the ones from Chaos.
Sorry no proof today.
Ace

well Ace, it may not have been what you meant, but that is sure how it sounded. You dont have to name the company, or offer proof at all, you are right. You dont have to post information as if it were fact based on what I can only assume are your assumptions. If you state something as fact, be prepared to offer proof. If you dont, then, well, that makes you 1 of 2 things.

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Originally posted by mtlhddoc2:
well Ace, it may not have been what you meant, but that is sure how it sounded. You dont have to name the company, or offer proof at all, you are right. You dont have to post information as if it were fact based on what I can only assume are your assumptions. If you state something as fact, be prepared to offer proof. If you dont, then, well, that makes you 1 of 2 things.

I agree in that what Ace of Hearts meant sounded quite different to what he originally said, but I'd never call him out demanding proof.
What about CardFan77 saying today Brent Spiner will be signing costume cards in the ST 40th Anniversary thread, how the hell would he know this? He says RA told him, but how do we know this is definately true? I don't collect ST but I'm sure its a nice tidbit of information for those interested.
So what if things are based on personal opinion/assumption/experience, this is what this board is about isn't it? In my opinion due to the fact Ace never offered any company name in regard to distributing promos for free which collectors normally have to pay for, I don't see how he did anything wrong.
And I'm not quite sure of what you meant by your last comment but it sounded a little snide to me.
A case of over-zealous modding perhaps?

X~

I think what mtlhddoc2 is trying to say is that Ace made a damning comment and didn't back it up. To me, I read his comment as the companies are giving away cards that are supposed to be exclusives or even worse, somehow sneaking them out there. Companies often say these cards are available nowhere else so he is essentially calling them liars. So that's why I said to offer proof.

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Originally posted by X:
So what if things are based on personal opinion/assumption/experience, this is what this board is about isn't it?

Sure, personal opinion/assumption/experience is fine. But when you are being libelous, it's not. Now I know "libelous" might be a bit strong but I get a bit touchy when people make gross generalizations about the card companies. It's not a good practice and something NSU can't stand behind, as you might suspect.

And now I've really gotten high and mighty on my soap box so I will leap off.

I get what you're saying, but I found the original post so fleetingly vague I couldn't imagine any company could get their knickers in a twist over one little comment, that was a)non-specific and b) completely unsubstantiated.

I understand the best interests of the Card Companies have to be considered in your case, but still I just thought Ace got a litte more flamed than was necessary thats all.
Who knows what happens to extra binder promos, maybe some end up in boxes, maybe they are given to select people in tiny numbers like FOA cards, just because afew of us have never encountered this doesn't mean it hasn't or couldn't happen.

And if you think what Ace was said was bad, I was once told by a large UK dealer that after Inkworks lost the Bond license they never actually destroyed all there old stock and some of their known affiliates came into large quantities of limited Bond cards after this period selling a constant flow of them on ebay, despite rarity. Afterall, things often go missing 'out the back door', or so we are TOLD.

Of course this is PURE RUMOUR, it would be very naughty of Inkworks if it were true of the company or any employee but like I said it's what I heard, not necissarily what I believe, so why can't I pass that information on?

Does this mean I will get a for what I just wrote? Probably.
It could very well be true, but how do I prove it? It could be untrue, but unless you've seen the cards chucked in the dumpster how can they prove it?
With stuff like this and the binder promos you need to take it with a pinch of salt, take it in, chew it over and leave it at that.
Who really knows the truth other than these companies? They don't tell us everything and to be honest I don't care either way. They put out great products and have excellent customer service (well, some do) and that's the truth I base my opinions on.
If what I heard was completely untrue, why would they be bothered if they behave in a ethically sound manner? Are they really going to care if Ace says promos are released by other means if they know they are not?

I can only imagine such defense over this subject is that companies may worry collectors/dealers will get disgruntled by buying binder promos that are 'given for free'. But with so many people demanding substantiated evidence who remain firmly rooted in their own positive experiences and confident about how a company conducts itself in this instance, I don't think these companies will get any bad press.

Abit of a storm in tea-cup really.

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Well, there you go X - you stated something you were told and said that you cannot say for sure if it is true. You actually have every right to do that and you know what? Thats fine because you said "Hey, its a rumor and I cant back it up"

I,ve heard that rumour about Inkworks and the Bond autos aswell.

I,m sure Uncle Allan would tell me they were destroyed ( in fact i think he did ) and that is good enough for me as he does not strike me as someone who would tell you something if it was not true.

I think the rumour persists because collectors simply cannot accept that someone would do such a thing especially someone connected with the hobby.