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Originally posted by Bill DeFranzo:
When you use the guide you need to extrapolate .

What in public!!!!!!

once again I had to check my dictionary

Which word did you have to look up in the dictionary? Extrapolate or public?

the extra one

O-kay!

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Originally posted by kingraider32:
I use the price guide as a checklist mainly. The prices go and up and down depending on so many factors, that almost any price guide on trading cards is worthless.

I agree with your first statement. The price guide is an historical record. It can't predict future performance of the card market but short term the prices can enlighten one as to which cards are a good buy when compared to selling prices of other cards in a given series. It can be deceiving, as well, especially on the higher-end cards.

Know the market!

I have been collecting non-sports cards for over 25 years. I have said it before and I will say it again. The NSU price guide section is just that: it is a great "guide" and nothing else. If you feel a price is wrong, let the mag know. Use the guide to assist you in paying a fair price for what you seek. Some people use the guide as a definitive pricing list and only trade or sell based on those prices in the mag. To solve any further inconsistancies in pricing, I think that Harris should take out all of the pricing and just list the sets, chase, etc. No more values. This way, we have a great educational tool for our hobby, with no inconsistencies. Something else that I once said also. "If you are in this hobby for the money, you are in the wrong hobby." Who cares what the price guide states the value of a card or set is? If you really want it, you pay for it. And if it is too much, you wait or you don't get it. Simple as that.

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Originally posted by beamer:
I have been collecting non-sports cards for over 25 years. I have said it before and I will say it again. The NSU price guide section is just that: it is a great "guide" and nothing else. If you feel a price is wrong, let the mag know. Use the guide to assist you in paying a fair price for what you seek. Some people use the guide as a definitive pricing list and only trade or sell based on those prices in the mag. To solve any further inconsistancies in pricing, I think that Harris should take out all of the pricing and just list the sets, chase, etc. No more values. This way, we have a great educational tool for our hobby, with no inconsistencies. Something else that I once said also. "If you are in this hobby for the money, you are in the wrong hobby." Who cares what the price guide states the value of a card or set is? If you really want it, you pay for it. And if it is too much, you wait or you don't get it. Simple as that.

Thats a valid point at the end beamer, but what if it means that people are only willing to trade for the NSU amount because it is there in print.
Bill DeFranzo says know the market, but not everyone can possibly know the value of each and every card that comes their way, especially if they are not interested in the set it came from. Then if they try to determine a value for it there may be too few out there on the market to do so! NSU needs to be quite accurate if because it is a usful tool no-matter what an individual percieves a card to be worth.

Normally I wouldn't moan about silly valuations (and yes I do send pricing suggestions), but I want to know if others agree if on some things it is way out?

For example in the new issue that had James Bond Dangerous Liaisons, it has for example one of the limited autos (Lana Wood Full Bleed) at $90 whereas Denise Richards is $85! If anyone watches these cards the Wood brings £20-£30 and the Richards consistently tops the £100 mark, much more than a measly $85. And on that note this Limited is valued higher than 6 of the Very Limiteds! Some of whom are much more popular characters.

Similarly I'd like to see anyone sell a Famke Janssen for as low as £110 ($200). What's going on there? Thats a $350 card!
The case incentives are pretty spot on but what about the UK promo? Every single one I've seen has sold for bare minimum £12, but usually £20 each, with whatever few there are on buy it now at £25. I don't think so many people would have them on their wants list if they could find them so pletifully for $5...

I'm not familiar with exactly how values are determined in the guide but who was consulted? People who flogged their stuff dirt cheap in the first week of release then kicked themselves violently afterward? Obviously things in the UK are slightly more expensive but given the quantity of auctions in the last two months, I think on average the values in the guide on a whole are pretty poor.

Sadly, I think it means just that. Many collectors use the guide price and stick to it. They will not negotiate price because their answer is "that's what NSU says." I personally will pay any price requested for something I really want. If the price that person gives me is more than I can afford at the time, I just pass. Hopefully, it will come around again. I still feel that if the NSU was just a guide and not a price guide, there would be fewer complaints about the price of cards listed within.

You're not wrong beamer! It does seem people have trouble deciphering the concept of a 'guide', but it doesn't matter really. If people want a card one would hope they would pay an appropriate price for it. It they can't afford what's being asked then they can look elsewhere, but if they demand it at guide price and will never budge they will the ones forever forcing themselves to miss out on cards they want. Their loss...

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I think on average the values in the guide on a whole are pretty poor.

I think you have to keep in mind that the guide is for the USA. A lot of the prices shown in it are probably correct for their shows.

The same guide done for the UK market would show in a lot of cases massive increases on a lot of items.

I do find it strange with all the information from Ebay auctions available that it is not more changeable. A card can go for big money everytime it appears on auction but the guide price stays the same.

Perhaps Bill simply does not have the time to devote to the guide in the depth that is required which is understandable.

I know I've seen a few prices that are strange, but I should imagine it is impossible to keep tabs on prices for cards. Is E-bay or dealer prices more approriate? I think as a "guide" it's OK. Whatever figure you use for a card's worth, its only relevant if another person agrees with that valuation

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Originally posted by X:

For example in the new issue that had James Bond Dangerous Liaisons, it has for example one of the limited autos (Lana Wood Full Bleed) at $90 whereas Denise Richards is $85! If anyone watches these cards the Wood brings £20-£30 and the Richards consistently tops the £100 mark, much more than a measly $85. And on that note this Limited is valued higher than 6 of the Very Limiteds! Some of whom are much more popular characters.

Similarly I'd like to see anyone sell a Famke Janssen for as low as £110 ($200). poor.

Not to be argumentitive but...
The date of the post above is March 20th. What was the date of release of JB: Dangerous Liasons? When do you think these prices in the current issue were obtained? Do you really beleive that the printed prices in any guide for something so new won't mature as interest grows (or contracts)?

If anyone really believes that the prices do not reflect actual selling prices at the time that the magizine goes to press then please supply proof. I'm referring to newer product. All prices are based upon known sales. It is physically impossible to monitor all sales especially private sales for all series on any regular basis. And it gets tougher as a series ages.

We are working on a direct link between eBay's closed auctions and our Price Guide database. Via the internet we plan on linking all relevant sales at the bigger card shows by having the buyer come to our table and reporting the prices through our kiosk. We are also exploring the technology which would update the prices in your copy of the current magazine every time that you open the magazine and turn to the guide. (Darn! I should have saved this for April Fool's Day but I'll be attending the Philly Show on 04/01). We make mistakes, historically, most have been typos. An out-of-date price is not a mistake. It's the nature of a guide fixed in time. If a card is now selling at a level not reflected in the guide we are always open to accepting that information.

I try to make a point of sending a thank you response to anyone who submitted information. It may take a week or two before I will get to it. I process the emails in batches. It saves time.

I agree with beamer. Any price paid is a private sale between the buyer and seller. What someone might pay will depend upon motivation and financial resources. If anyone is adament about not paying any more than the guide then that isn't a problem with the guide. All collector's have rules, spending guidlines and such. I don't agree that this particular rule is particularly logical but...


Regarding UK promos. I have most UK promos in my collection. The one's that I don't have are the higher priced promos. I can usually pick up the latest UK promos for £0.99 - £1.99. If a UK promo is priced at $5.00 then it is probably one that was purchased by me in that price range. Again, if the price is wrong then please inform us, but provide support for your information.

I will have my 48-page printed spreadsheet (small font) of all cards that I am activly seeking price updates at the Philly Show. If you see an absurd price in the guide or just purchased a special card then drop by the NSU table, I'll show you what prices I have in the works and record your purchase. I will have an historic copy too so you can see where the latest prices originated.

I want the prices in the guide to be as accurate as they can be at the time of printing. I don't ignore any information supplied to us.

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Originally posted by Bill DeFranzo:
We are working on a direct link between eBay's closed auctions and our Price Guide database. Via the internet we plan on linking all relevant sales at the bigger card shows by having the buyer come to our table and reporting the prices through our kiosk.

This is good to hear.

We are also exploring the technology which would update the prices in your copy of the current magazine every time that you open the magazine and turn to the guide.


He's cleverer than i thought.


I want the prices in the guide to be as accurate as they can be at the time of printing.

Absolutly. I really must send some info in instead of keep saying i will.

it sounds like the NSU staff works to hard