because I was moderator and didnt want anyone to think I was representing NSU.

If you really dig deep and think about it. Benchwarmer ads are no worse than, oh, say, Buffy? or Xena? I mean, Xena actresses usually wears a little bit less than those Benchwarmer girls do. And Buffy... well, lets just say that between the Devil worship and extreme violence, its not something I would want my 6 year old to watch.

And honestly, I have seen worse ads in Sports Illustrated and Teen Beat; the Disney Channel frequently shows teen girls in bathing suits and many womens magazines frequently show both Women and men in various states of undress (as was stated before).

As a parent, the only ad that I thought was a little over the top was the Asian Ecstacy - and the reason was that the banner covered blatant nudity which might have been a little much. But still the image at best would carry an R rating in a movie theatre if uncovered. So the ad is about PG13. (I know, blah blah blah, I talk to much! LOL So im gonna stop there!)

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FAR more adult sets than kids sets, and actually only one set I would consider being aimed only at kids.

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My issue was with one ad, which I thought was tasteless and below the normal standard of ads NSU takes. I had no issue with the other ads, including the adult ones, and I still don't. I made the comment in the first place because, purely and simply, the subject matter *said ad is promoting* would be better placed in an adult magazine.

If you want to widen the argument then feel free, but this was my complaint, and I think as there was a groundswell of agreement with my comment that Harris will take those comments on board. I'm not interested in any other magazine I can buy, I was interested with NSU and that ad, and Harris has addressed the issue in a manner I consider more than adequate.

The rest of this argument is for another day, and another board...

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You know I can't wait to see this ad now,just to see what all the fuss is about.

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I bet there are times when Harris wishes he could say what he REALLY thinks about some of the things we say here! LOL

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shut up

Personally i like the ad.

FWIW, I thought the ad was a bit tacky as well, but quite honestly, with a set called "Asian Ecstasy" there's not a lot one could do that *wouldn't* be tacky.

I wasn't offended by it, but I did think it stood out like a sore thumb. If nothing else, it made me look at the ad, which is what advertising is supposed to do, no?

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I wasn't offended by it, but I did think it stood out like a sore thumb. If nothing else, it made me look at the ad, which is what advertising is supposed to do, no?

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i'm going to have to go with Bob on this one.
it would have been VERY questionable if NSU was aimed at kids, but it's not.
no matter how much kids like cards, most cards these days are bought by adults, and these cards in question are what some adults buy.





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It's ok to advertise adult cards, just don't use the words "Ladies Only" <sarcasm>

The distinction (in my mind) between the Asian Ecstasy ad and the ads for the other mentioned sets (Benchwarmers, Sports Illustrated, Playboy, etc.) is not the amount of skin shown in the ad, but the product being advertised. Haven't seen the AE set, but it appears to be pictures of women that focus on them as sex objects (the word "Ecstacy" bringing to mind very carnal images). The other sets are simply pictures of good looking women who aren't wearing a lot of clothing. Even the girls in Playboy are given a modicum of respect as persons, where the subjects in the AE set come off more like hookers.

It is also disturbing that it focusses on Asian women, as if it is more appropriate to dehumanize them into sex objects than it would be to do so to Caucasian or Black women. It is a racist set.

This emphasis on sexuality makes me believe that the AE set crosses an ill-defined line into the realm of pornography, where the other sets are simply salacious.

Many studies have linked pornography to violence against women, to abuse, and to many other societal ills that none of us would like to be associated with.

I hope that this ad is an exception, rather than the beginning of a trend. I don't want my subscriber dollars associated with a magazine which, even incidentally, promotes the pornography industry.

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The distinction (in my mind) between the Asian Ecstasy ad and the ads for the other mentioned sets (Benchwarmers, Sports Illustrated, Playboy, etc.) is not the amount of skin shown in the ad, but the product being advertised.

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Bill, that's far more eloquent than I could ever manage, and sums up the issues very well.

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I disagree with the previous post.

I don't want to get into details, but I fail to see any difference between this set and any other of the mentioned sets or for that matter the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue, Victoria's Secret Catalogs, etc, etc. And I really don't see how this is racism.

I have no further comment as I don't want to fuel this conversation.

Jon

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Harris - thanks for letting us know the official position.

I'd like to reiterate, I don't have a problem with the ads. My issues stemmed from the clear difference between what is shown in the magazine and what had been deemed appropriate to say/do on the website. The point had been brought up that the site is family-oriented and, as you clearly put it, the magazine's demographics are more towards the middle-age people.

I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here. The rules have been set, and we must live with them. I'm not trying to object or cause a commotion

Jon - I agree with you. AE is not racist. It may be tasteless (a personal opinion), but it's not racist.

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Harris: Thanks for your missive!! I agree with you 100%.

Paul R: 35 IS NOT middle age!!

Rest of you: I'm Asian and I'm female and I was definitely NOT offended, taken aback or dismayed by the ad in question. I looked at it and said to myself, "OK, not my cup of tea" and turned the page. No big deal, not a second thought. But that is just me...

As mentioned by many other posters, you can see such ads anywhere else, in general magazines, covers of tabloids, covers of Harlequin romances, etc. Perhaps I'm desensitized. But the view is in the eye of the beholder, the interpretation is in the eye of the beholder.

Happy Stargating!

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My bad...

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Oh how I would love to gander at this ad now so I can judge for myself. But it never arrives at my bookstore, that subscription is looking better everyday...All I know is I think I'd rather see an ad for the playboy Lingerie set than a cover of Garbage Pail Kids. That's just me.

You know, this topic would be a great article in a future issue. Sexuality is in the Cards: It isn't just for kids anymore, or should it be.

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OK, I got into this thread's game late. I know some will want to hear the opinion of the Dennis Rodman of our community ...

I, myself, do not mind the ad. But that is also because I am a man in his prime. I agree it sticks out a bit. The one deciding factor to me is that it does look a bit trashy, but then again, we don't know what the set actually looks like right?

The big kicker for me is what Paul has been covering. I respect Harris's rights as moderator and providing us with a free community, but it kind of contradicts us, the consumer, when we can easily access certain things on the page, yet can't briefly mention it on the boards. At the CardTalk meeting, I'm sure Harris would agree that we were a bit aghast when Uncle Allan dropped a few f-bombs with #1Hulkfan's 2 little girls in the room.

Again, like I says, it wouldn't matter to me if they were there or gone, if the people have trouble with it, complain, or just disregard it. Same goes for these boards. I'm an advocate for free speech and equal rights, and it ticks me off that when I say something that makes one feel uncomfortable, they go around behind my back and narc me to the moderators. It makes me feel black-listed. Most everyone who knows me, knows I can have a mouth, but will attest that I'm a really nice guy. If they have a problem with me, TELL ME! It's not like I'm going to be childish and rant obscenities!

On a quick side note, I firmly believe this is an adult hobby rather than kiddies. Darren (of Cards Inc) stated in the meeting that they aim to kids for the future of the hobby. But really, how many kids will go searching for a $2 pack of Avengers cards? Even kids MY age never heard of Avengers, let alone newer American shows like Family Ties or All In The Family... And despite what they say, cards are not a cheap hobby! The majority of us need some special cards!

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I think this is getting blown WAY out of proportion. Is there any chance we can just let this whole thing drop?

Kevin


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Now i will agree with kennywood and close this thread because after that there is nothing more to say.

Do you reckon this thread will make it into the "Card Talk's Greatest Hits" forum?

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