posted June 10, 2020 05:17 AM Hide Post somebody please tell me if casemapping is not permitted here Smile the top of the pack is commons and then uncommons. the rares almost always in the bottom and the ultra rare right in the middle. pack 1 mainly sites 068 075 087 091 061 046 047 048 049 072 rare 078 074 077 005 rare 006 rare
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June 14, 2020, 03:39 AM
Graham
It's not permitted as it would lead to cherry picking. Also, this is a site for Non-Sport trading cards, not CCG cards.
June 14, 2020, 04:12 AM
handicapabletrader
well you sure do have a lot of ccg card people here.i'd say you might have to accept us as card collectors of non sports cards. i'm a collector of cards not a ccg player so don't particularly want to hang out on a ccg forum that's 90% magic the gathering which i hate. but there's no need for hate. you love cards. i love cards. since i was in diapers collecting baseball cards. when they came with bubblegum. right through my teens with comic cards and every series of x files cards and now after pulling my life back together after an incredibly messy divorce almost a decade ago ,i was just wanting to join a community of like minded people and if you can suggest any less discriminatory card forum then i'd love to join it
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June 14, 2020, 04:23 AM
handicapabletrader
why did allender say "t's permitted and encouraged!" if it's not and if it's not then what is your box breakdown section for?
i will leave my original post unchanged until someone with authority tells me to take it down .
but honestly the packs have not been listed in order because i spilled them so even if casemapping is not permitted,this is not technically a case map. just ratios of rares and ultra rares in 36 packs from the same box.
also if you're buying 24 year old ccg card cases to "cherry pick" you are just going to be stuck with hundreds of packets that won't sell. people know cherry picking happens. which is probably the reason why a pack of these cards costs half what they did when released 24 years ago. not even considering inflation.
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June 14, 2020, 06:23 AM
Graham
Why ask questions if you're going to argue against the answer?
June 14, 2020, 06:35 AM
allender
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Originally posted by Graham: It's not permitted as it would lead to cherry picking. Also, this is a site for Non-Sport trading cards, not CCG cards.
Graham, I'm puzzled. It's not usual to post complete pack data ("case-mapping"), but I think every other box breakdown arrives in the same place if you ignore common/base card reports.
CCG cards are non-sport trading cards whenever the incentive is to collect, not to game-play. I do a search of Card Talk for "CCG" and find twelve pages of posts.
The boundaries of interest are different for every member of this forum, in my opinion. Are stickers "cards"? At one time NSU was giving significant coverage to pogs/tazos when they were at their peak as a fad, another genre that appeared to have crossover appeal, and that was a lot farther from media/comic card releases. Some traditional sets have been cross-promoted with CCG cards, and NSU has had occasional articles on CCG releases over the years.
My take is that's one of the beauties of forum subject lines. You can see if a thread covers an area of the broader hobby you aren't following. I get frequent requests to add CCG releases to the checklists, but if all somebody wants was a card list to assist gameplay, I could refer them elsewhere. If there was value that could be added for collectors, like discussing distribution in packs and cases or subject-area subsets that could appeal to people who enjoy taking the cards and viewing them for content, they're fair game.
CCGs did not appeal to a lot of collectors because the traditional idea of "base sets" and set completion was complicated by different levels of rarity. Today those are the mantras of many major manufacturers of mainstream sets, with tiers and SP and SSP "base" cards and a half dozen low-level insert sets (some of them split into rarity levels) before you even deal with hits. As a collector, I was always more attracted to finding new cards than I cared about stamped parallel versions of the same cards.
Probably the collecting world for CCGs has diverged from the collecting world for other NS cards. That was less true in the 1990s with the bigger variety of retail outlets. I go to WalMart now and see only game and sports cards. A whole generation might be missing the beauties of the rest of our hobby, and I don't mind trying to extend their passion beyond Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon. It's easier to recruit new blood with properties like X-Files or its modern equivalent that have a demonstrated presence in both arenas. I've even found youngsters who only knew about game cards who were encouraged to attend a show, and came out saying "wow, I didn't know what I was missing." .This message has been edited. Last edited by: allender,
June 14, 2020, 06:36 AM
handicapabletrader
i have two opposing answers and one's from somebody who i've seen say a lot of intelligent things at length where as, you said things that made me think that you did not understand and are just talking. so i ask you if there are any factual rules you could point me to or are you telling me your own judgement? can somebody tell me who was right here.
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June 14, 2020, 07:02 AM
hammer
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Originally posted by handicapabletrader: i have two opposing answers and one's from somebody who i've seen say a lot of intelligent things at length where as, you said things that made me think that you did not understand and are just talking. so i ask you if there are any factual rules you could point me to or are you telling me your own judgement? can somebody tell me who was right here.
Again - calm down - Historically cherry picking/case mapping has always been discouraged on this forum and generally speaking CCG box breaks haven't been posted on box breaks, also there are a lot of opinions on the forum.
Both Graham and allender have a lot of experience in the hobby and I don't think either are wrong. Personally I would have just posted the entire break, focusing on the rare cards - just like normal box breaks focus on the hits
June 14, 2020, 07:02 AM
allender
Graham is a member of this community whose opinions I respect greatly. Different people come to this forum with different goals. I don't see any benefit from negative personal comments either here or in other threads.
We're both right, okay?
Graham and hammer focused on the unusual nature of "case-mapping" versus summarizing breakdowns and hits. I admit that I'm not sure I fully understand the concern with cherry picking, but I grant that there may have been abuses in the past. If a newbie to this board appears to be moving off-topic or into sensitive territory, we can feel free to comment. I accept the concern about cherry picking but disagree with the concern about CCGs being off-topic in the context of card collecting. .This message has been edited. Last edited by: allender,
June 14, 2020, 07:53 AM
allender
Just checking on my own Box Breakdown posts on Card Talk, there were two series that were marketed as gaming cards but really were traditional sets. They were released by cardmakers who did most of their marketing in areas related to their larger involvement with CCGs. One of them was a box I picked up at the Philly Show.
These sets weren't what I would have categorized as CCG because they were base cards with the same scarcity, perhaps with limited insert subsets. Other CCG releases were posted on my own forum because the concept of "base" cards is different and I didn't see the need to cross-post.
Related Topic 1: The threads started by Don Norton, Graham, xtime, and a few less prolific thread-starters are the ones I consider most faithful to what I want to see in breakdowns: a summary of card distributions, a mention of notable hits, and a paragraph of commentary on key features of the card set. Most of the Box Breakdowns I've seen over the last few years have focused on announcing and picturing autos, sketches, etc. They are proud commentary on finding ultra-rare cards.
Follow-ups that talk only about big hits have a place of interest and I'm reluctant to think of them as cherry picking. We should move a discussion about splitting them off back to the "Suggestions & Requests" part of Card Talk, where Harris moved it in 2008 when I strayed into another one of my "long, thoughtful" posts that spawned great comments from some of the same people reading this today. Other threads go back to the very beginning of Card Talk. .This message has been edited. Last edited by: allender,
June 14, 2020, 12:22 PM
handicapabletrader
OK. I'M CALM sorry i have both been having trouble understanding wether this was okay, and having my own problems invading my day between posts. not your problem tho. i understand a lot better now and will do it differently next time. i simply had written this list before i came on here to upload it instead of seeing what other people had done and supplying something similar. and then when i asked if i'd done it ok it felt rude to be told this was not the right forum for my ccg. i looked around for any forum with topics on these cards and this was it, as far as i could see. this is the only ccg i own,have 10 cards to go and then want to get back to more traditional cards. i don't want to be ostracized as a mid 30's man who people think wants to play card games from my childhood all day. and you all know the kind of person i'm describing. girlfriend repellant, but at least they have friends. sometimes i walk passed those people playing their magic and dragonball z and wish i could pretend to like it just to increase my actual friend count by 40'000%. i'm sure their all nice people. but i like to hustle. not waste time. usually i'm not doing something to earn money then i'm learning about something to make me a better person or finding new ways to make money. (i'm a disability pensioner so i usually only make about $50 a week ontop of my pension by fixing pc's and putting them on gumtree or buying things i know are real cheap and sitting on them until someone wants to pay a better price. i've got four of the new gameboys if anyones interested in one even when i relax i usually watch animated things or read comics to get better at art by seeing the professionals do it.
i'll leave the original post as is unless i am told to take it down purely because this is not financially important information, the packs are not in order, and cherry picking a $100 case for two ultra rare cards that have a chance of being worth upto $25 each would be....well stupid. i found that out by opening this case to show ratios that i could not find anywhere online it really interested me and i spent literally hours trying to find things online to describe how a wierd set was put together in a weird way that would have made it real hard to make a set.
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June 14, 2020, 12:58 PM
Raven
The posts in the box breakdown section are generally short and sweet. "I made the set. I didn't make the set. I need card such and such. Here are the inserts. Here are the hits. The cards are nice/ugly. Here's the grade."
The review usually depends on whether or not there was deemed to be enough value in the box opened. If you pulled two $8.00 hits its unlikely to get a thumbs up.
I wouldn't know what to do with a breakdown like the one that opens this thread, but I can't recall anyone saying "case mapping" is not allowed unless it was before my time. This forum is primarily used by collectors rather than sellers/flippers. It's an interesting and perhaps valid point that it could be used for cherry picking, but that might be only for bulk buyers. With my one or two boxes, I certainly wouldn't need to scroll threw lengthy breakdowns of individual packs in a normal thread. The abbreviated breakdown versions are adequate enough for me, but if anyone decides that this is permitted, I would suggest to keep it separate.
Same thing with the debate over CCGs and Non-Sport cards. CCGs are Non-Sport cards, but they are in their own category, whether you collect them to play the game or just to get the cards. As a Non-Sport card collector I have no interest in reading about any CCG, but I wouldn't care if there were threads on Card Talk for CCG collector non-players. I just wouldn't read them. If the posts started to get mixed up with non-gaming Non-Sport cards then it would create all sorts of issues.
Yes, Suggestions and Requests is a better place to discuss this, the only problem is that I'm not sure if anyone will make a decision. We don't really hear a lot from Moderators anymore since the restructure, which is both good and bad.
June 14, 2020, 01:19 PM
H_Toser
As has been mentioned here, we have always discouraged people from posting/encourage how to cherry-pick product on the NSU forum. Yes, it's done and we're not turning a blind eye but we also don't want to be the resource for it.
Also, and has been also pointed out, the box breakdown forum (as least in my mind) has always been for the collector to post what they got out of a box...'Hey, the new Star Trek XYZ product is out today and this is what my box contained." Use it to show off your hits and/or set expectations for others. Or in the unfortunate (and unusual) case where a product collation issues exists, let others know they may be disappointed.
And finally, and I realize I am adding to the issue here but the box breakdown forum was originally created for that...box breakdowns. Product discussion, forum suggestions, etc. is intended to be done on the other forums.
ok i am replying to three posts that all mention that this is not a discussion place so i won't post anymore about this. i think i have been answered that case mapping is discouraged and naughty. so i will not provide case maps on this site. since the packs in my list were jumbled this is just pack mapping . and i'm not going to further this conversation by asking if pack mapping is discouraged. thanks mr moderator
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