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First a little history. Over the years, like most card collectors, I began to amass hundreds and then thousands of trading cards to complete various sets. However, as my collection grew, an inverse relationship developed between the space available in my house and the area I needed to keep these little pieces of cardboard in(sounds familiar?). Candidly, I also started to get a little tired of seeing 100 pictures of the same T.V show, movie, superhero, actor,etc..
Then, by chance, I discovered the promo card. In the early days, approximately 17 years ago, manufacturers of trading cards began making a small number of pre-production cards for their upcoming card series which they would then send to card dealers and distributors throughout the United States and abroad. This way, the Non-Sports and Sports card shop owners could look at and feel a sample of the upcoming product and decide if they were going to order it by the case, the box or not at all.
Back then, most stores would receive a handful of these sample cards. The owners would give one or two to their best customers, maybe keep one for themselves and toss the rest in the can. After all, these cards had no intrinsic monetary value since they were free and the series they were promoting was a few short months away from being released.
Thus came into being the first promo cards! These cards are known by many names: promo, prototype, sample etc.. A purist may take exception to using these terms interchangeably but for right now, suffice it to say that all of these words describe a trading card that has been made to promote a product,event or card set and is distributed for free.
Collecting promo cards was the perfect solution to the overcrowding and the nascient boredom I was experiencing with traditional card collecting. Afer all, why not collect, for example, just the 1 or 2 Star Trek promo cards issued for a specific set rather than the 100 regular cards ?
This task, however, was easier said than done. there was no guide book to indicate which card company had issued a promo card in advance of the serie's release but also, many announced card sets were cancelled and never produced so that the only card for that team, movie, comic or T.V show was the promo card previously distributed to the dealers and distributors.
Imagine the challenge of first finding a card dealer. How many dealers existed in any given city in the early pre Ebay 1990's? Second, once you found a dealer, you had to find one
who hadn't thrown away the few promo cards he had received from the manufacturer and you had to somehow learn which card companies had sent out promos for sets that were never produced.
As if that weren't enough, it was soon discovered that the promo cards being sent to the dealers and distributors were different from the cards of the acual set with the same image. Some were clearly identifiable as promotional and would be stamped accordingly, but others had no identifiable markings and exhibited only small nuances betwen them and their common regular card relatives. Heated telephone conversations (no internet yet) as to whether a card was or wasn't a promo took place in many parts of the world.
Then in the mid 1990's, Ebay came into existence and for the first time in 2000, a dedicated collector (thank you Todd!) compiled a book devoted only to collecting promo cards. This treatise which has been updated thru 2005 has shed much light on the hobby.
WHY COLLECT PROMOS?
To this day, previously unknown promo cards that were produced by legitimate card companies under legal licenses are still being discovered by astute collectors. Also, as more and more collectors are finding out that a promo card exists for a set of cards they collect, they are seeking to acquire that last elusive card to complete a "master" set making promo card collecting even more popular. Unlike chase cards, sketch cards; prop cards; costume cards or autographed cards, whose scarcity is dictated and manipulated by the manufacturer's print run, an early promo card's value is determined by how many have survived thr carnage of the early days. Thus, prices for many early to mid 1990's promo cards are not artificially set because they were never found in packs and there is no concrete information available not only concerning how many were made but more importantly on how many still exist. Nevertheless, there are previoulsy dubbed "scarce" promos from that time period which have appeared on the market much more frequently than originally indicated. The most famous(see infamous) one being the Yoda P3 from the Galaxy Series. So, in many cases, you cannot throw caution to the wind.
However,despite the millions and millions of trading cards being sold on Ebay every year,there are still some promo cards that have NEVER appeared for sale while some others have made an ephemeral appearance every few years. Some individual promo cards and sets of promos are already fetching upwards of US $1,000.00 . Remember, these little pieces of cardboard or acetate were given away for free just a few years ago.
Promo card collecting is still in its infancy as compared to stamp, coin, doll or standard card set collecting to name a few. As with these older collectibles, only time will dictate a promo's real scarcity and price. I believe though there are treasures that can still be found out there sometimes at bargain prices if you know what to look for. Although the world of promo card collecting has burgeoned over last few years, many dealers and collectors have still not caught on to or appreciated the true rarity of some of these cards, especially those made in the early 1990's.
As each year passes, many of these "older" promo cards are proving more and more elusive and their value is being positively affected by their confirmed scarcity.
Now, what's your reason for collecting promos? Wavey

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i collect promos for the simple reason they go with the sets that i am collecting without them i dont have a master set.

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Hi Promoking

That was a fantastic introduction to promo collecting. That would have made a great article in NSU.

I collect Inkworks promo cards, Harry Potter Cello packs and promos of other sets I collect eg LOTR / Star Wars etc.

I simply cannot afford all the sets that come out, but the Inkworks promos are a really nice way of reviewing all the sets in one album.

The promo card in NSU for DC Legacy was so impressive, I bought 3 boxes of the product.

But the promo card of the year for me which many of you will know by now was from the 1993 Roger Dean fantasy set from FPG, the Red Dragon promo card. I searched high and low for it, and eventually picked one up from Ebay. I hadn't seen one before, and I haven't seen one since. Catalogue price $2. Bargain of the year!

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I agree, that would have been a good article to read in the NSU mag.

I only collect them to the sets I'm working on to more complete. And pile up the ones I get from shows and NSU mag. in a card box.

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I have two diffrent sides to this topic as me and my friend David do not agree at all on promo collecting.

My side is that i love collecting promos and sell sheets because i can build up a large collection of intresting cards on all sorts of subjects without having to pay out loads of money to do so. I have complete collections of promos for sets that i have no other cards from.
I can't spend loads of money putting together a master set of something but i can enjoy putting together a set of the promos for that set without it costing too much. Also i might enjoy looking at say four cards on a set but have no intrest in looking at a 90 card set when i'm not really into the subject.


Davids view is totally diffrent. He has no time for people who only collect promo cards as he says they contribute nothing to the hobby, the dealers or the manufacturers. He is fond of telling me that if everyone only collected promo cards then there would be no promo cards because all the manufacturers would have gone out of business.

I suppose his point is valid but i think there is enough room in the hobby for everyone whatever and however they choose to collect.

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I have 2 different reasons why i collect promo cards.

1. I like to collect the promo's for the set i am getting as this does go towards "the master set"

2.To collect other promo's,as this opens up another avenue in card collecting and lots of great promo card's have been produced over the years.

Whatever you collect you should enjoy the hobby and the thrill of the hunt.

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I started to collect them just because they were different and no one else was doing it (at least that I knew of). Now I collect them almost solely to document them. That seems to have become my real hobby. And for the record my first promo book was in 1997. Yeah, ten years. And look where I am now. rich beyond my wild dreams.
 
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I started collecting them by chance. I was a comic book collector and Wizard Press started putting cards in the mag, that is what got me interested. Most of you know I quit collecting promos, in truth I have not. I been selling off a lot of them but have not completely quit collecting. I only collect the subjects that really interest me anymore.
 
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I don't know but show me a collector and the word 'only' never comes up. If you collect card sets then you probably collect promos. Most collectors collect more than one thing. It is just how narrow your focus is and what your priorities are.
 
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I started collecting them by chance. I was a comic book collector and Wizard Press started putting cards in the mag, that is what got me interested. Most of you know I quit collecting promos, in truth I have not. I been selling off a lot of them but have not completely quit collecting. I only collect the subjects that really interest me anymore.


And what might they be?

Glad to see you still around John...

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Nice to read your post John. Thanks again for the Brian Lumley. I just love that card. Give us a ring sometime ya hear Big Grin

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I started collecting them by chance. I was a comic book collector and Wizard Press started putting cards in the mag, that is what got me interested. Most of you know I quit collecting promos, in truth I have not. I been selling off a lot of them but have not completely quit collecting. I only collect the subjects that really interest me anymore.


And what might they be?

Glad to see you still around John...

Mike.


Mostly the old stuff, and not just the promos. I'm a fan of comic book art, so a lot of cards along those lines. I picked up a card yesterday I've been looking about 10 years for, the Diamond Con. silver foil spawn from wizard press. Very Happy.

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Nice to read your post John. Thanks again for the Brian Lumley. I just love that card. Give us a ring sometime ya hear Big Grin


I've started to call a few times, email me and let me know what's a good time, I'm alway on the computer, sad isn't it?
 
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I'm allways on the computer, sad isn't it?


So i'm told. I wouldn't know of course. Big Grin

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Good to see ya post, John Big Grin

I guess my first introduction to promos would have to be getting them in NSU, CCPG, CI & SWG magazines. I still have a few older ones, but most often I just tossed 'em out after a while. Now n then, they promoted some sets I'd be interested in, often all there was to judge a set by was the promo card itself.

Sometimes the set was cancelled, and the promo was all there ever would be available. To this day, I still wish Topps didn't cancel the E.T. Widevision set. But after a while, it added a new level of challenge to putting together a complete set. Some may dispute promos aren't truly part of a set, nonetheless, they certainly belong with it. But the extra challenge of finding all the available promo cards for a specific set- it has made card collecting a much more satisfying hobby for me. Some sets I'll collect the promos over the inserts. You gotta admit, some inserts are pretty lame. I'd rather take up the challenge of finding the promo cards (including finding the means to fund their acquisition. Some are worth more than the base sets! How ironic is that?).

Honestly, it would be a shame if card companies ever decided to stop producing them.

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I started collecting promos that belonged to a set i was trying to complete with a view to a master set, now i pick up odd ones here and there that interest me.

I used to ignore the promo folder on the dealers table unless i was looking for something particular, i do vividly recall the day (collectors fair at Sandown) when i saw a Galaxy P3 Yoda in a dealers folder and thought nice card - but didnt buy it for the £1.50 that was being asked because i didnt collect Star Wars cards Frown

This week i finally completed my Judge Dredd promos thick and thin, taken a while but i got there in the end.

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i do vividly recall the day (collectors fair at Sandown) when i saw a Galaxy P3 Yoda in a dealers folder and thought nice card - but didnt buy it for the £1.50 that was being asked because i didnt collect Star Wars cards Frown

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NNNNNNNNNnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooo Shake Head

I would have had to retire from the hobby once i found out.

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i do vividly recall the day (collectors fair at Sandown) when i saw a Galaxy P3 Yoda in a dealers folder and thought nice card - but didnt buy it for the £1.50 that was being asked because i didnt collect Star Wars cards Frown

David



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I would have had to retire from the hobby once i found out.


win some lose some, think how many people didnt buy the Willow auto in the late 90's when they were going quite cheaply - oh no i did that too Twak
 
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Great story promoking... thanks for sharing your insight into what a strictly promo collector's minds is like.

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Unlike chase cards, sketch cards; prop cards; costume cards or autographed cards, whose scarcity is dictated and manipulated by the manufacturer's print run, an early promo card's value is determined by how many have survived thr carnage of the early days.


Isn't artificially manipulated print runs true for promos as well?

Why are some convention promos incredibally difficult to find? Why are UK promos sometimes impossible to find? It's as if they've evaporated.
 
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